Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by rontoon, Mar 5, 2018.
Good man! (P.S. - I am really due some incoming positive karma )
I always appreciate a thoughtful gift, Ron.
Hopefully one day life will throw you an advantage and you'll take it.
I am not sure if we should launch a poll on this but many on this thread, including myself, think that it will be released later on as a normal catalog item w/o all the memorabilia that comes with it on RSD (racket store day).
No. The whole point of RSD is to get people spending money in record stores. If RSD First meets that objective, then that's the way to go, collector entitlement be damned.
Hey, you make it public, it's gonna get pointed out. There are those who proudly and publicly purchase multiple copies of limited edition items specifically to flip. There's nothing wrong with a little consciousness raising.
The advantages I take don’t screw over innocent people. At last year’s record store day there were a few young teenagers there. Would I be so selfish and get two copies of an album that they may want and hinder something that could spur a lifetime of music enjoyment just because I for some reason needed more than one copy? I don’t think so.
I'm just going by what you said a couple weeks ago. It's all good, though. I was just hoping you'd post your thoughts on the sound quality prior to RSD, but if that doesn't pan out, so be it. Cheers.
You're entitled to your own opinion, as extreme as it may be.
Please raise his consciousness offline
God save us from the self-righteous.
For me, as long as it’s available in a vinyl format at some point I will be happy. The poster in the RSD version be darned.
From what I've read (esp from "Syd Barrett & Pink Floyd: Dark Globe" by Julian Palacios) I'd have to agree, one of Syd's closest friends at the time, Jock Findlay, insisted that Syd took no more than 10 trips during 1967, however his flat at Cromwell Road was a zoo, and there were persistent rumours of spiking, no end of groupies and drop-outs. We all understand the pressure being exerted from management, record label and bandmates to conform and come up with the goods. The change from resident band at the UFO and the Pied Piper of the psych movement, to pop stars, was an antithesis of what Syd was about. He retreated into antic behaviour, burnt out and not happy with being a trained monkey on a chain, his music became more autobiographical.
Vegetable Man, apart from the reference to the practice of making a harvest figure of vegetables, to be consumed, (from The Golden Bough), and maybe from a conversation with teen magazine "Go"reporter, where Syd says "its getting better" "I'm beginning to think less now" where the reporter responds and says, "Well , if you stop thinking entirely, you might as well be a vegetable" & Barrett responds "Yeah!"
Add this to a strong sense of competition for control of the group from Waters, as Syd was behaving erratically, even dressing in drag, disappearing, the brief respite moving into Richmond Hill can almost be felt in "Apples & Oranges"
The complexities of a mind so creative and sensitive, cannot be overlooked, there are numerous references to Syd's almost psychic tendencies, his chromesthesia, he was backed into a corner, where the only escapes were drugs and anarchic non-conformity to the point of non-engagement.
I usually work on Saturday, but this year I took the day off to track this bad boy down.
Just ignore it then. Ignorance is bliss.
Bliss is staying on point and not being sanctimonious, as someone else pointed out. But, sure, I’ll ignore you.
Cool, yeah worked at a record store for the first RSD and most of them since! When things are available later on it starts to dilute the purpose. It's already bad enough with flipping.
I agree with you for the most part but I would concur with the idea that the Gilmour/Waters produced Syd tracks are not nearly as well produced as those produced by Malcolm Jones. So in the area of record production they didn't really do Syd a favor (although arguably getting their names on the LP made them more attractive to buyers).
I've never heard an account of 1967-68 in which Syd was perfectly functioning but got booted anyway because the rest of them were villains. I don't believe Syd's issues were totally drug-related but I think it's pretty well established that he was cracking up in public and that if they'd have held on to him, there would have been no Pink Floyd by 1969 at the latest. Firing Syd could not have been an easy decision - he was their principal songwriter, lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and one and only pop star face.
Very interesting but I think it's safe to say that anyone in the pop music game, from the Beatles to the Stone to Hendrix, had exactly the same problems with being turned into a commodity, and many of them responded much better than Syd appears to have done. And the ironic thing is, if Syd had kept it together for two more years, he would have been in a much freer, more open musical environment in 1969-70, where it was not necessary to churn out singles and TV appearances to be successful. The Floyd didn't play the pop star game too long after losing Syd, and ended up remarkably in control of their image and music.
Without wishing to get drawn into the debate, it's worth remembering just how strong the acid was back then. It is self limiting anyway so frequency of use is not that important and those "no more than 10" spread out through the year would pack some punch.
I am not disputing this at all.
I think I was somewhat imprecise in terms of the drug use being the reason for Syd's decent into darkness. By all accounts he had problems before he used drugs heavily. Maybe the drugs worked as a catalyst. It is hard to say without being a doctor - and even then...
Yes, you are right and that account doesn't even factor in the heroic dose of STP (DOM) that Syd took in November in the US, which by all accounts took a week to get over (according to Pete Townsend), plus other random events like sustaining a massive electric shock from a Shure mic during the brief US tour
I wasn't being critical of your reference to drugs in Syd's case, just the usual line that gets thrown around when Syd's mentioned. Most people believe that Syd just destroyed his brain with LSD but the situation was far more complex. And I'm pretty sure that there's others who did a LOT more acid that Syd ever did (Lennon and Morrison come to mind) and yet never had similar psychological problems.
Syd was very shy and probably those drugs isolated him the more he took some.
Was he though? Reading about his pre-Floyd life he seems to have been very popular and outgoing. In the Dark Globe book he seems like he was the local Cambridge It Guy who everyone wanted to hang out with.
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