Power strip for my new dedicated lines?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by WvL, Jun 5, 2021.

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  1. rednedtugent

    rednedtugent Forum Resident

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  2. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home...

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    Electricity is little magic sparkles pushed thru wire by fairies.
    Happy fairies = clean power
    Not = incubus power

    I found it helps if I massage the cable to free up the sparkles.
     
  3. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home...

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    but it IS inaudible, because it is converted to DC, and 99% of the THD + noise is NOT removed by any promoted technology since it is low harmonic odd order type, 3rd, 5th, etc.

    Or so I heard from people that know about these matters.
     
  4. fish

    fish Senior Member

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    Paul at PS Audio did a show about a client friend that had a Tesla Power Wall installed and how HORRIBLE his high end system got after the switch. Apparently its not JUST Tesla Battery wall. ALL of them have the same problem and its related to the sensing circuit that detects outages and "auto switches" from the mains. This switch KILLS fidelity!
     
  5. Those components must be pretty sucky to be so succeptible.
     
  6. C10

    C10 eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may die

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    PSAudio's $10K P20 will fix this easily ;-). One of these I will try one.
     
  7. Lowrider75

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    So, I've watched all the videos. A couple of them are promotional so there are only positives for the Greenwave EMF filter and therefore are biased. But in the video posted by @Ingenieur my takeaway is the Greenwave does no harm to your living space (placement is key) and the measurements indicate a significant reduction in noise on the mains. And since they are used on duplexes not inline with the audio system they shouldn't affect SQ. I realise all signals travel through the service panel, but according to the testing, noise aka EMI should be negligible. I'm thinking about trying a few of them especially since I have some old circuits which haven't been upgraded.

    I had a talk not long ago with a neurologist who said we're exposed to way too much EMI/RFI every day that we shouldn't keep adding devices, ie, Alexa, inside our homes. This subject came up when I asked him about using Schumann Resonators in my listening room.
     
  8. rednedtugent

    rednedtugent Forum Resident

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    Don't forget to pick up some massage stones. :tiphat:
     
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  9. 4-2-7

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    Yes but they gave a lot of info I never thought of before just on the health side. Defiantly some food for thought, and worth a try.

    I seen some other independent vids and the Greenwave worked better than some others.
    At the price of them it wouldn't hurt to try them for starters in room we spend a lot of time in like the room we sleep in. My bedroom has the main breaker panel in the closet, the main line comes into the house on the bedroom wall. I also go to sleep with the stereo power on, the TV on all night and my computer powered on plus phone chargers. If I had to guess my bedroom is probably the most toxic EMF room in the house, and I'm in this room the most when home.
     
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  10. rednedtugent

    rednedtugent Forum Resident

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    "Yes but they gave a lot of info I never thought of before just on the health side. "

    I've lived around EMF all my life and my lung feels great. :buttkick:
     
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  11. 33na3rd

    33na3rd Forum Resident

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  12. fish

    fish Senior Member

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    Not at all. Silly response. Go watch the videos for yourself. Search YouTube, PS Audio Tesla Power wall.
    In reading it's being noticed by a growing number of people.
     
  13. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home...

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    1 turn the stuff off
    2 no TV in the bedroom ;)
    3 it's not proven to be toxic
    4 don't build your home under HV lines lol
     
  14. RockAddict

    RockAddict Sanity is an illusion, just like democracy

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    This thread has (mostly!) been very useful for someone (me) trying to understand some basics about surge protection and I hope the OP doesn't mind if I seek further info via his thread.

    If I've understood correctly, whilst the joules rating matters, clamping voltage and the reaction time to a surge are even more important - that certainly makes sense (no point in having spare joules if the protection kicks in too late and/or lets through too much voltage).

    With all of that in mind, I set about looking for a sensible 6-way strip/block with surge protection (but not specialist filtering or conditioning) suitable for UK use [230v / 50Hz] and it soon became clear that options are far fewer than those available in the USA! After trawling through info about literally dozens of strips with surge protection, most didn't have info about clamping voltage or reaction time or had joules ratings that were simply too low (e.g. 250 to 750). The only make with sufficient info that appears to be available in the UK is APC and the shortlist is below:

    APC Essential SurgeArrest PM5-UK [5-way; 918 joules; "instantaneous" reaction; <15% let-thru (i.e. under 300V UK)]
    APC Essential SurgeArrest 5 outlets 230V UK - APC United Kingdom

    APC Essential SurgeArrest PM6-UK [6-way; 1836 joules; "instantaneous" reaction; <15% let-thru (i.e. under 300V UK)]
    APC Essential SurgeArrest 6 outlets 230V UK - APC United Kingdom

    APC Essential SurgeArrest PM8-UK [8-way; 2754 joules; "instantaneous" reaction; <15% let-thru (i.e. under 300V UK)]
    APC Essential SurgeArrest 8 outlets 230V UK - APC United Kingdom

    APC Performance SurgeArrest PMF83VT-UK [8-way; 2690 joules; "instantaneous" reaction; <15% let-thru (i.e. less than 300V UK)]
    APC Performance SurgeArrest 8 outlets with Phone & Coax Protection 230V UK - APC United Kingdom


    All the above have some EMI/RFI attenuation but, if I've understood, they're not full-on filters / conditioners.


    If anyone has used APC surge protectors, info on experiences could be helpful. Also, other options for power strips with surge protection suitable for UK use would be welcome. For the avoidance of doubt, it is purely the surge protection being looked at, not filters / conditioners etc so something like the cheap and ubiquitous Tacima CS947 isn't of interest.

    PS (added): If any of the above indicates I've not understood something properly, DO put me right! I really do want to know.
     
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  15. Lowrider75

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    I assume you've used Google to find these?
    Look for reviews of the APC's.
     
  16. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Hello there!

    Since you honestly seem to know about this subject, I went to take a look at your equipment profile to see what kind of equipment you have, but you do not allow others to see your profile (honestly, I don't understand that...) So, it is hard to qualify your helpful input without a point of reference as to what kind of system you listen to.

    I THINK that is why we are asked to display our equipment profiles so that others will know sort of 'where you are coming from' :)

    Thanks! :tiphat:
     
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