George, Nice work buddy! You can add Billy Joel Songs In The Attic 35DP 19 to the list. We recently covered that one in a thread Jamie Tate started. Rick
Thanks Rick. Maybe this is impractical, but I was hoping that folks could simply quote my list, remove the quotes, add any recent finds (like the one you posted above) and then repost the updated list.
I'm highly suspect of the following: Genesis-Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Vangelis: Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) I've checked many many targets and West German (aluminum to center) discs and not a one had PE. I also am doubtful that a currently in print CD has it, particularly one that is not Classical in nature. Can anyone confirm the Vangelis disc? -s1m0n-
I used to have a Marantz CD player that did not decode de-emphasis. During parts of emphasis CDs that had somewhat loud high-frequencies there would be sound dropouts lasting a second or two. I thought the CDs were defective until I played them on a different player at a store. I then returned the Marantz. Store wouldn't take it back, so I just left it there on the counter, walked out and notified my credit card co. who reversed the charge. That was back in the early 1980s.
You can add to the list: Pink Floyd The Final Cut CK 38243 35DP-53 Nena 99 Luftballons EK 39294 35 8P-42 I was shocked that my made in Japan Slade Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply does not have emphasis (it came in a smooth side case too). I'm pretty sure the one I bought back in 1983 did, but I no longer have that one. It's got to be ultra-rare if it exists.
I meant quote me and add your new entries and remove the quotes. That way the next person can quote you and do the same, etc.
I can definitely confirm the Genesis s/t 814 287 (non-Target). Mine is bought in 1986, from Vertigo/PolyGram Germany and has PE (not indicated in the TOC, but in the subchannels). Martin
I was just about to add Nena as well. Is yours a Japanese pressing? Mine is an EK 39294 but the matrix is 1B EK39294 01 C2. No mention of 35 8P-42 anywhere.
Interesting. Mine is US product and though the CD itself doesn't say where it's pressed the booklet says "Disc manufactured in Japan by CBS/Sony, Tokyo, Japan." The tray however says "Now Made In The U.S.A." Perhaps mine is a US pressing that uses the same mastering of the Japanese made disc.
Seems unusual that a US product would have emphasis. Does it have the 12" version of 99 Red Balloons on it? Track 1 would have a playing time of 4:45 if so.
Max Roach - Survivors 1984 Soul Note 121093-2 was a pre-emphasized disc manufactured in Italy by PhonoComp, and could also be added to the list. I also own a Delos compilation of John Eargle recordings called Engineer's Choice (DE-3506)...EAC indicates three of the tracks (out of 22) have PE: 9) Poulenc: Fleurs, from (DE-3029) 10) Popper: Menuetto, from (DE-3065) 16) Rorem: A Quaker Reader, from (DE-3076) I don't own any of the discs linked above, but I assume it's possible that they all have pre-emphasis since the tracks derived from them appear that way on the compilation.
Thanks, good to know. I was beginning to think that no targets had PE. Obviously none of mine do. -s1m0n-
Yes, playing time on track 1 is 4:45. Here's my EAC log in case you want to compare to yours: EAC extraction logfile from 14. December 2008, 12:09 for CD Nena / 99 Luftballons Used drive : HL-DT-STDVD+-RW GSA-H73N Adapter: 1 ID: 0 Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache Read offset correction : 102 Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes Used output format : C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy\flac.exe (User Defined Encoder) 192 kBit/s Additional command line options : -8 -A tukey(0.25) -A gauss(0.1875) -b 4096 -V -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" %s --sector-align Other options : Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No Installed external ASPI interface Track 1 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\01 99 Red Balloons.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 99.7 % Test CRC F5129323 Copy CRC F5129323 Copy OK Track 2 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\02 (Question Mark).wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.53 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC D9AC259E Copy CRC D9AC259E Copy OK Track 3 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\03 Hangin' On You.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.40 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC E66E46F7 Copy CRC E66E46F7 Copy OK Track 4 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\04 Just A Dream.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.02 Peak level 91.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 3D7B65E5 Copy CRC 3D7B65E5 Copy OK Track 5 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\05 Let Me Be Your Pirate.wav Peak level 83.9 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 0D27044B Copy CRC 0D27044B Copy OK Track 6 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\06 Kino.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.60 Peak level 86.3 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 0CB43ED1 Copy CRC 0CB43ED1 Copy OK Track 7 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\07 Das Land der Elefanten.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.38 Peak level 86.1 % Track quality 99.9 % Test CRC 73E4F97E Copy CRC 73E4F97E Copy OK Track 8 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\08 Leuchtturm.wav Peak level 95.6 % Track quality 99.9 % Test CRC 27858FAB Copy CRC 27858FAB Copy OK Track 9 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\09 Rette mich.wav Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 99.9 % Test CRC C5FC425C Copy CRC C5FC425C Copy OK Track 10 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\10 Unerkannt durch's Märchenland.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.58 Peak level 91.2 % Track quality 99.9 % Test CRC 948ECB08 Copy CRC 948ECB08 Copy OK Track 11 Filename C:\Documents and Settings\CHUCK\Desktop\Nena - 99 Luftballons[1983].flac16\11 99 Luftballons.wav Peak level 97.4 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 4588AD45 Copy CRC 4588AD45 Copy OK No errors occured End of status report
I am just now coming up to speed on all this. a) Is there a way to tell how a disc with PE has it encoded? => in the TOC, or in the subchannels? (If it's in the subchannels, then is the flag "carried" along with a ripped version from EAC?) b) And then if I want to rely on iTunes to take care of this while ripping a disc, does iTunes tell you whether it sees the PE flag or not? (I haven't yet tried, but I need to in the next few days.) Thanks !!
Toto IV - Original CD had pre-emphasis Toto-Hydra 35DP-42 Japan Billy Joel - 52nd St. (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Glass Houses (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here-35DP4 The Wall CK2 and related masterings Genesis-Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - EMI CP35-3017 (non-TO, non-CDP) Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen- Darkness On The Edge Of Town Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Roger Waters' "Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking" Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290)[/QUOTE] All Black Sabbath CLACD and NELCDs have it. The Velvet Underground - VU Quarterflash - S/T, Japanese target pressing. New Order - Low Life, Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. I'll have to check tonight. Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Vangelis: Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now)[/QUOTE] Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace / CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet / CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney's Tug of War has pre-emphasis, as does my old U.S. Columbia copy of Pink Floyd's The Wall. - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD doesn't have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. She's Having a Baby - OST Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint[/QUOTE] Creative Sounds S/T.[/QUOTE] The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label] Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Mike Oldfield-Tubular Bells WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 Men At Work-Cargo CK 38660(U.S) and 35 8P-16(both have PE) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie-Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Black Sabbath Master of Reality Castle NELCD 6004, supposedly Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery (Made in Austria, epic 450083 2, JET-500 11) but also the "non-TO, with CDP" pressing. Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Mahler: Symphony 3 - Norma Procter (contralto)/London Symphony Orchestra/Jascha Horenstein - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue on Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE. + Jethro Tull Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Feel free to quote this message and add to the list any new findings, that way. we'll have an up to date list
Toto IV - Original CD had pre-emphasis Toto-Hydra 35DP-42 Japan Billy Joel - 52nd St. (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Glass Houses (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here-35DP4 The Wall CK2 and related masterings Genesis-Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - EMI CP35-3017 (non-TO, non-CDP) Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen- Darkness On The Edge Of Town Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Roger Waters' "Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking" Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290)[/QUOTE] All Black Sabbath CLACD and NELCDs have it. The Velvet Underground - VU Quarterflash - S/T, Japanese target pressing. New Order - Low Life, Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. I'll have to check tonight. Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Vangelis: Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now)[/QUOTE] Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace / CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet / CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney's Tug of War has pre-emphasis, as does my old U.S. Columbia copy of Pink Floyd's The Wall. - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD doesn't have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. She's Having a Baby - OST Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint[/QUOTE] Creative Sounds S/T.[/QUOTE] The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label] Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Mike Oldfield-Tubular Bells WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 Men At Work-Cargo CK 38660(U.S) and 35 8P-16(both have PE) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie-Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Black Sabbath Master of Reality Castle NELCD 6004, supposedly Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery (Made in Austria, epic 450083 2, JET-500 11) but also the "non-TO, with CDP" pressing. Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Mahler: Symphony 3 - Norma Procter (contralto)/London Symphony Orchestra/Jascha Horenstein - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue on Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE + Jethro Tull Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Feel free to quote this message and add to the list any new findings, that way. we'll have an up to date list
Thanks Plan9, glad one person understood what I meant. Seriously, the whole quoting my list and adding new stuff will only work if someone catches us back up again.
