Any info about this albums on early cds : Alphaville "Forever Young" and "Sticky Fingers" from Rolling Stones ?..
The CBS for Sticky Fingers does not have PE. It is simply a hair too bright. I think the SHM with the HR cutting from the DSD master sounds the best.
The Original Glenn Miller & His Orchestra – The Glenn Miller Story https://www.discogs.com/The-Origina...hestra-The-Glenn-Miller-Story/release/6554508 "Big Band Era" label, made in France, catalog # 70187
Here is a data dump of 125 albums with Pre-Emphasis. I'm about half way finished ripping pre-emphasis CDs and summer work is taking over my database updates, so here is what I have thus far until next winter. It is hard to place a table inline, so I withheld a lot of fields of data. The information is searchable, so I hope it helps. Artist Release Label Cat # Sort Pressing File Name Code Pre-Emphasis Aldo Parisot, tYC Bach Bachianas Delos D/CD 3041 Shape Optimedia, US (1986-1988) Shape Optimedia, blue wave Pre-Emphasis in TOC (tracks 1, 2) Amanda McBroom & Lincoln Mayorga Growing Up in Hollywood Town Sheffield Lab CD-13 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, CD 13 M6E 13 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Andreas Vollenweider Behind the Gardens–Behind the Wall–Under the Tree CBS [CBS Masterworks] MK 37793 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDP-20054 31A7 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Andreas Vollenweider Behind the Gardens–Behind the Wall–Under the Tree CBS [CBS Masterworks] MK 37793 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDP 20054 11A5 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Ani DiFranco Not So Soft Righteous Babe RBR002-D ESP Laser Matrix G1 (1992-2002) ESP Laser Matrix G1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Art Garfunkel Scissors Cut CBS [Sony] 38DP 22 Sony G1R-HS, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G1R-HS, 38DP-22-18 1A1, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Art Pepper & Joe Farrell Darn That Dream RealTime RT 3009 Sanyo, JP (1983-???) Sanyo, 306134 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Barbra Streisand Greatest Hits, Volume 2 CBS [Sony] 35DP 161 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-161 41A1 +++++, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Barbra Streisand Guilty CBS [Columbia] CK 36750 Sony G3R-HB, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G3R-HB, 35DP-7 91A6 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Barbra Streisand The Way We Were Columbia CK 32801 DADC G2, US (1987-1990s???) DADC G2 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Barry Wordsworth, RLPO Berners, The Triumph of Neptune Suite EMI Digital CDC 7 47668 2 Nimbus, UK (Sep 1984-1992) Nimbus, 3 dots, Black Angel Pre-Emphasis in TOC Bert Lucarelli The Sensual Sound of the Soulful Oboe Special Music [Essex] SCD 4527 Daio Kosan, JP (spring 1985-late 1987) Daio Kosan, 282 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Big Audio Dynamite This Is Big Audio Dynamite Columbia CK 40220 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDP 020460 11A9 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Billy Joel Glass Houses Columbia CK 36384 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-18 71 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Columbia CK 9463 CMU G1 (CMU P ###) (1989-early 1990s) CMU G1, none Pre-Emphasis in TOC Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Columbia CK 9463 CMU G2 (P ###) (1993-1994) CMU G2, P 096 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Bob Dylan Real Live Columbia CK 39944 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 32DP-196 11 +++++ Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Bruce Springsteen Born to Run CBS [Columbia] CK 33795 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-21 41A6 +++++ Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Bruno Walter, CoSO Brahms, Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68 CBS Masterworks MK 42020 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 50085 121A2 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Bruno Walter, CoSO Mozart, Symphonies Nos. 40 & 41 CBS Masterworks MK 42028 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 50075 31A1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Canadian Brass Brass in Berlin (with Berlin Philharmonic Brass) CBS Masterworks MK 39035 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDC-20036 21A1 +++++ Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Canadian Brass Brass in Berlin (with Berlin Philharmonic Brass) CBS Masterworks MK 39035 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDC-20036 11 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Christina Högman & Jakob Lindberg Faire, Sweet & Cruell, Elizabethan Songs BIS BIS-CD-257 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2893 986 01 # Pre-Emphasis in TOC Christopher Page, GoV Hildegard, A Feather on the Breath of God Hyperion CDA66039 Disctec UK (1986/09-1987/07) Disctec Pre-Emphasis in TOC Daniel Barenboim, BPO Schubert, Symphonies Nos. 2 & 8 CBS Masterworks MK 39676 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 20191 11A3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Dave Grusin Discovered Again Sheffield Lab CD-05 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, CD 5 1 11 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Dice of Dixie Crew 1st Throw Inak inak 811 CD Sanyo, JP (1983-???) Sanyo, 409262 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Earth, Wind & Fire Raise! CBS [Columbia] CK 37548 Sony G3R-HS, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G3R-HS, 35DP-15 21A2 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Fattburger One of a Kind Optimism [Bellaphon] GBJCD2001 Lordisc←Digipress FR Lordisc←Digipress Pre-Emphasis in TOC Freddie Hubbard Back to Birdland RealTime RT 3005 Sanyo, JP (1983-???) Sanyo, 305242 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Graziano Mandozzi Bach Handel 300 Deutsche Grammophon 415 110-2 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 415 110-2 01 # AD TE Pre-Emphasis in TOC Harry Nilsson Harry Nilsson's Greatest Hits RCA PD 89081 Denon G1, JP (1982/10-1983/10) Large Stamped Font Denon G1, A-2Y Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Hiroko Nakamura Chopin Album CBS [Sony] 38DC 015 Sony G2R-HB, JP (1983-1984) Neat Transitional Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G2R-HB, 38DC-15-6 1A7, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Hiroko Nakamura Mussorgsky, Pictures at an Exhibition CBS [Sony] 38DC 039 Sony G1R-HB, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G1R-HB, 38DC-39-8 1A1, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Jamaaladeen Tacuma Show Stopper Gramavision GRCD8301 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, GRCD-8301 11A5 Pre-Emphasis in TOC James Newton Howard & Friends James Newton Howard & Friends Sheffield Lab CD-23 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, CD 23 2 12 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode James Tocco Bernstein, Complete Works for Solo Piano Pro-Arte Digital CDD 0109 Matsushita G1N-HB, JP (1985) Narrow Font Normal--Blank Hub Matsushita G1N-HB, IS CDD-109 2 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Jean-Joël Barbier Satie, Œuvres Pour Piano, Volume 1 Accord 149564 MPO FR (1984/12-current) MPO, 149564 01 hub 3 3 3 3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Jean-Michel Jarre Zoolook Polydor [PolyGram] 823 763-2 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) Polygram, 823 763-2 02 ✳ CG Pre-Emphasis in TOC (track 7 only) Jean-Pierre Rampal Haydn, London Trios & Divertissements CBS Masterworks MK 37786 Sony G1R-HB, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G1R-HB, 38DC-42-1 1A2 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Joan Baez Joan Baez, Volume 1 Vanguard VMD-2077 DADC G4, US (1995-current) IFPI DADC G4 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Joan Baez Joan Baez, Volume 2 Vanguard VMD-2097 DADC G4, US (1995-current) IFPI DADC G4 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Jonathan Butler 7th Avenue ProJazz CDJ 0675 Discovery, US (1986/10-1994) Discovery Pre-Emphasis in TOC Journey Frontiers CBS [Columbia] CK 38504 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, CK-38504 1C1 76 D Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Journey Frontiers CBS [Columbia] CK 38504 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDP 50045 31A11 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Journey Frontiers CBS [Columbia] CK 38504 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDP 50045 21A2 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Jukka Tiensuu The Fantastic Harpsichord Finlandia FACD 357 ICM G2, CH (1986-1992) ICM G2 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Kitaro My Best Gramavision 18-7016-2 PDO, WG (1986/01-1991/09) PDO, 2896 849 02 ✳ J Pre-Emphasis in TOC Kitaro My Best Gramavision 18-7016-2 PDO, WG (1986/01-1991/09) PDO, 2896 849 02 ✳ O Pre-Emphasis in TOC Kitaro My Best Gramavision 18-7016-2 PDO, WG (1986/01-1991/09) PDO, 2896 849 05 # T Pre-Emphasis in TOC Leonard Bernstein, IPO Prokofiev, Symphony No. 5 in B-flat Major, Op. 100 CBS [Sony] 38DC 16 Sony G1R-HB, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G1R-HB, 38DC-16-2 1A1, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Leonard Bernstein, IPO Prokofiev, Symphony No. 5 in B-flat Major, Op. 100 CBS [CBS Masterworks] MK 35877 Sony G3R-HB, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G3R-HB, 38DC-16 81A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Leontyne Price Live! Pro-Arte Digital CDD 0231 Matsushita G2N-HB, JP (1985-1987) Wide Font Normal--Blank Hub Matsushita G2N-HB, IS CDD-231 2 M Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lionel Richie Can't Slow Down Motown MCD06059MD Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDX-14 21, Errors Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lionel Richie Lionel Richie Motown MCD06007MD Sanyo, JP (1983-???) Sanyo, 402161 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Lorin Maazel, ONF & Female Choir Holst, The Planets, Op. 32 CBS Masterworks MK 37249 Sony G2R-HB, JP (1983-1984) Neat Transitional Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G2R-HB, 38DC-12-1 1B4 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lorin Maazel, VPO Beethoven, Symphony No. 5 & Schubert, Symphony No. 8 CBS [Sony] 38DC 001 Sony G2R-HB, JP (1983-1984) Neat Transitional Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G2R-HB, 38DC-1-6 1A1, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lorin Maazel, VPO Beethoven, Symphony No. 5 & Schubert, Symphony No. 8 CBS Masterworks CD 36711 Sony G1R-HS, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G1R-HS, 38DC-1-1 1B6 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lorin Maazel, VPO Beethoven, Symphony No. 5 & Schubert, Symphony No. 8 CBS Masterworks CD 36711 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 38DC-1 61A6 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Lorin Maazel, VPO Beethoven, Symphony No. 5 & Schubert, Symphony No. 8 CBS Masterworks MK 36711 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, 1A2 74 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mamba Percussions Mamba Percussions, Volume 2 Pierre Verany PV 784051 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDZ-10131 11A1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire I American Gramaphone AGCD-0355 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-483 1C5 S~E Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire I American Gramaphone AGCD-0355 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, AGCD 366 3 11 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire I American Gramaphone AGCD-0355 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, AGCD 366 S8E 12 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire II American Gramaphone AGCD-0359 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-384 1A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire II American Gramaphone AGCD-0359 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, AGCD 359 2A 12 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire II American Gramaphone AGCD-0359 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-384 1D3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire III American Gramaphone AGCD-0365 CTA G1, JP (1983-1984???) Crude font (hand-stippled font) CTA G1, X-29 1A2 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire III American Gramaphone AGCD-0365 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-29 1D4 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire V American Gramaphone AGCD-0385 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-386 1D1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire V American Gramaphone AGCD-0385 CTA G2, JP (1984-1987???) Neat font CTA G2, X-386 1D3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Matthew Best, EnCO Duruflé, Requiem & Four Motets Hyperion CDA66191 Disctec UK (1986/09-1987/07) Disctec Pre-Emphasis in TOC Men at Work Business as Usual CBS [Columbia] CK 37978 Sony G3R-HS, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G3R-HS, 35 8P-15 21A6 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells Virgin (BMG) 90589-2 Denon Digital G1, US (1987/04-1995/11) Denon Digital G1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Miles Davis Sketches of Spain CBS [Columbia] CK 08271 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-63 31A2 +++++ Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Montserrat Caballé Montserrat Caballé Sings Wagner CBS Masterworks MK 37294 Sony G1R-HS, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G1R-HS, 38DC-47-3 1A6 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Mstislav Rostropovich, CASW Rachmaninoff, Vespers Op. 37 Erato ECD 75319 MPO FR (1984/12-current) MPO, ECD 75319 01 @ hub 01 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Murray Perahia, AmQt Brahms, Piano Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 25 CBS Masterworks MK 42361 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 70220 21A1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Murray Perahia, EnCO Mozart, Piano Concertos Nos. 15 & 16 CBS Masterworks MK 37824 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 20025 21A3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Murray Perahia, EnCO Mozart, Piano Concertos Nos. 15 & 16 CBS Masterworks MK 37824 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, DIDC-20025 11 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Neeme Järvi, GSO Dvořák, Cello Concerto & Waldesruhe (feat. Frans Helmerson) BIS BIS-CD-245 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2893 467 02 . Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Neeme Järvi, GSO Sibelius, Symphony No. 4 & Canzonetta & The Oceanides BIS BIS-CD-263 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2895 291 01 . Pre-Emphasis in TOC Paul Mauriat Transparence Philips 824 557-2 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 824 557-2 01 ✳ AM KS Pre-Emphasis in TOC Philarte Quartet Grieg, String Quartet in G Minor Op. 27 Pro-Arte Digital CDG 3236 Discovery, US (1986/10-1994) Discovery Pre-Emphasis in TOC (tracks 5,6) Philharmonia Quartet Berlin Haydn, 3 String Quartets Denon 38C37-7094 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, 1A7-53 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Philharmonia Quartet Berlin Schubert, String Quintet in C Major, D 956, Op. 163 Denon 33C37-7601 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, 1A4 5Z Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Philip Glass Dancepieces CBS [Columbia] MK 39539 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 70150 11A1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Pink Floyd The Wall Columbia C2K 36183 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, 2A3 6Z 71, fatboy Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Pink Floyd The Wall Columbia C2K 36183 Denon G3, JP (1984/04-1987/04) Slab Dot Matrix Denon G3, 1A51 6Z 71, fatboy Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Riccardo Muti, BPO Bruckner, Symphony No. 4 in E-flat Major 'Romantic' EMI Digital CDC 7 47352 2 Nimbus, UK (Sep 1984-1992) Nimbus, 1 dot, Black Angel Pre-Emphasis in TOC Simon & Garfunkel The Simon and Garfunkel Collection CBS [Columbia] CDCBS 024005 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-13 71A4 +++++ Pre-Emphasis in TOC Slide Hampton World of Trombones Black Lion BLCD 760113 P+O Pallas, DE P+O Pallas Pre-Emphasis in TOC Small Faces The Autumn Stone Castle Communications CLACD 114 MPO FR (1984/12-current) MPO, CLACD 114 01 @ Pre-Emphasis in TOC Survivor Eye of the Tiger Scotti Brothers [Columbia] ZK 38062 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDP 20239 11A3 Pre-Emphasis in TOC The Glenn Miller Orchestra A Memorial for Glenn Miller, Volume 1 Accord 139201 MPO FR (1984/12-current) MPO, MCD 139201 01. Pre-Emphasis in TOC The Kroumata Percussion Ensemble The Kroumata Percussion Ensemble (feat. Manuela Wiesler) BIS BIS-CD-272 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2895 109 02 # KW Pre-Emphasis in TOC The Mills Brothers 22 Great Hits Ranwood R-7035-CD Discovery, US (1986/10-1994) Discovery Pre-Emphasis in TOC Todd Wilson Duruflé, Organ Music (Complete) Delos D/CD 3047 Shape Optimedia, US (1986-1988) Shape Optimedia, green wave Pre-Emphasis in TOC Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Southern Accents MCA MCAD-05486 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, MCAD 5486 M3E 13 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Southern Accents MCA (BMG) MCAD-05486 JVC Block AL, US (1995-current) JVC Block AL Pre-Emphasis in TOC Trevor Pinnock, tEC Vivaldi, Violin Concertos, Op. 8, Nos. 5-10 CRD CRD 3410 Sanyo, JP (1983-???) Sanyo, 504131 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Various Artists_C Audio Plus Sampler - .65 Ounces of Pure Digital Pro-Arte Digital CDX 0007 Discovery, US (1986/10-1994) Discovery Pre-Emphasis in TOC (tracks 1, 2, 4-13) Various Artists_C Telarc Sampler, Volume 4 Telarc CD-80004 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDX 1448 11A4 Pre-Emphasis in TOC (track 12) Various Artists_M Compact Test Demonstrations Pierre Verany PV 784031 MPO FR (1984/12-current) MPO, PV 784031 06 @ Pre-Emphasis in TOC (tracks 1-7, 9-19) Various Artists_M Crème de la crème, Gourmet Selections from Sheffield Lab Sheffield Lab CD-CRM LaserVideo, US (1986/01-1988/01/15) LaserVideo Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Various Artists_M Hitachi CD-Demo Denon TD-9004-B Denon G1, JP (1982/10-1983/10) Large Stamped Font Denon G1, 9003 A-44, promo Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Various Artists_M Real Hot Jazz RealTime RT 2002 Sony G1R-HB, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Blank Hub Sony G1R-HB, RT 2002-3 1A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Various Artists_M The Sax Ascendant Innova MN 109 Discovery, US (1986/10-1994) Discovery Pre-Emphasis in TOC Various Artists_M The Sheffield Drum & Track Record Sheffield Lab CD-14~20 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, CD-14 20-S5C 11 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Walter Susskind, SLSO Dvořák, Works for Cello and Orchestra & Smetana, The Bartered Bride MMG [Essex] MWCD 7131 Daio Kosan, JP (spring 1985-late 1987) Daio Kosan, 89 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Weather Report Heavy Weather CBS [Sony] 35DP 131 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-131 11, blackface Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Weather Report Night Passage CBS [Columbia] CDCBS 84597 Sony G1R-HS, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G1R-HS, 35DP-8-8 1A3 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Weather Report Night Passage Columbia CK 36793 Sony G2R-HC, JP (1983-1984) Neat Transitional Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G2R-HC, 35DP-8-8 1A5 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Weather Report Night Passage Columbia CK 36793 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-8 151A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Wynton Marsalis Think of One CBS [Columbia] CK 38641 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-75 31A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Wynton Marsalis Think of One CBS [Columbia] CK 38641 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-75 41A7 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Wynton Marsalis Wynton Marsalis CBS [Columbia] CK 37574 JVC Arial, JP (1984-1987) JVC Arial, DIDP 50033 4E 11 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Wynton Marsalis Wynton Marsalis CBS [Columbia] CK 37574 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DP-33 151 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Yukie Nagai Ravel, Miroirs & Le Tombeau de Couperin BIS BIS-CD-246 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2893 276 02 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Yukie Nagai Ravel, Miroirs & Le Tombeau de Couperin BIS BIS-CD-246 PolyGram, WG (1982/08-1986/01) PolyGram, 2893 276 02 O Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Zoltán Rozsnyai, PHun Conducting The Philharmonia Hungarica, Disc One RealTime RT 2001 Sony G1R-HS, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G1R-HS, RT 2001-3 1A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Zubin Mehta, NYPO Beethoven, Symphony No. 3 in E-flat Major, Op. 55 'Eroica' CBS Masterworks MK 35883 DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987) DADC G1, DIDC 50002 51A1 Pre-Emphasis in TOC Zubin Mehta, NYPO Strauss, Also sprach Zarathustra CBS Masterworks CD 35888 Sony G1R-HC, JP (1982/10-1983) Crude Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G1R-HC, 38DC-10-3 1B3 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Zubin Mehta, NYPO Stravinsky, The Rite of Spring 'Le Sacre du printemps' CBS Masterworks MK 34557 Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub Sony G3R-HC, 35DC-41 51A2 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode Zubin Mehta, NYPO Stravinsky, The Rite of Spring 'Le Sacre du printemps' CBS Masterworks MK 34557 Sony G3R-HS, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--Sony Hub Sony G3R-HS, 35DC-41 51A1 Pre-Emphasis in Subcode
Note that De-Emphasizing CDs with Pre-Emphasis changes DR and EAC peak values. I am happy overall with the results. I kept the original Pre-Emphasis files (within subdirectories) and imported the De-emphasized files into Roon. All-in-all, there were remarkable sound improvements for more than a few albums.
Has there ever been a software “shootout” for de-emphasis done on this board? Or anywhere else, for that matter? Either subjectively - through listening tests, or objectively via comparison of the wav files to an identical “pre-pre-emphasis” version after software de-emphasis? I wonder if there were ever any “test CDs” released in the pre-emphasis era that we could play around with.
The albums I listened to were night and day difference. Note, in the past, forum members have posted CDs that were above average or better quality listening preferences. Some of them are Pre-Emphasis... well when I listened to them, I was perplexed... until I De-Emphasized them. See above posted Pink Floyd album recommended by George P. Note... I have never owned a CD player... just a DAC with an ethernet connection to a file server... so I was only recently aware of the substantial difference in sound quality.
Except for Itunes (awful for the PE curve) Most of or if not all are based on SOX parameters. I've tested a few and would fail a blind test. Think there is an old Izotope program with a curve, couple members swear it's the best. I haven't heard it.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to miss, since there's a huge high-end EQ boost when the audio's not properly de-emphasized. (With a few exceptions, of course - namely the ones that may not be tagged properly and have been discussed here at SH.tv quite a bit). What software are you using to apply the de-emphasis? (or is it POST emphasis? [wink] )
Good to know. Honestly, I've never had much interest in the subject before, because I only had a couple PE discs, but now that I'm collecting a few more I'd like to find the best software method so I can get some good digital files. There is such a quality difference in DAW EQ software, so it seems like there would be varying quality in applying a de-emphasis curve. I've used SOX for resampling and have had good results with it. I've used Izotope plugins with Sound Forge - I'll have to look and see if there's a de-emphasis EQ in there. Honestly I just want to find something that will apply the EQ in the most non-destructive manner, and I was hoping someone had figured out what that is.
Cool! Do you know of any specific titles that have pre-empasis? I would love to find some and run some software tests.
I use the SOX filter via dBpoweramp. I'm not sure why anyone would use anything but the SOX filter (Sound eXchange, the Swiss Army knife of audio manipulation). As far as I can recall, it's been the most used filter for at least 20 years--although there are forum members that are FAR more knowledgeable than I. I had always wanted to apply the filter, but until I started using dBpoweramp, it seemed like any process would be to complex (for me). I had hoped Roon would implement something... and NOPE... they are busy correcting the latest release issues. BTW... I tag my files (Albums) with "De-Emphasis" in the Genre tag to easily locate them in Roon. Links for further information below... Pre-emphasis - Hydrogenaudio Knowledgebase SoX
I use CUERipper (free) to test for Pre-Emphasis in subcode). I apply De-Emphasis with dBpoweramp CD Ripper and save as FLAC files on server. Note that I chose the more difficult yet permanent conversion solution. I know foobar2000 offers another solution. Some forum members in Roon have opted for filter solution--a bit complex for me. I guess it all depends on your available time and the music software used to play files. Links below... CUERipper - CUETools dBpoweramp: mp3 Converter, CD Ripper, FLAC, Apple Lossless, WAV, AAC, AIFF. Fix album art, Asset UPnP Server FLAC - Free Lossless Audio Codec
I use SoX too. I've found that SoX works well enough for de-emphasis that I'm doubtful that anything better would actually sound better. The unfortunate reality with pre-emphasis is that pre-emphasis was used because the AD converters were not very good. The AD converters back then weren't able to do the high frequencies as well as the mids and bass. So they applied pre-emphasis to the highs so the highs would have more signal and hence bit-depth to work with. The effect of that is that since the AD converters weren't very good and didn't have very good resolution transparency (the ability to hear into the recording) the quality of the digital de-emphasis isn't so critical unless the digital de-emphasis is really poor quality. Poor quality digital de-emphasis causes the result to have even less stereo separation and resolution transparency than the poor quality AD converters did natively. Good quality digital de-emphasis only needs to be better than the resolution transparency of the AD converters back then. Going higher quality won't result in better sound. You can only polish a turd so much. And those old AD converters were turds. So my view now is that there is no need or benefit to going to heroic levels of math and precision and preserving proper phase changes to do digital de-emphasis. Cause the old AD converters that had pre-emphasis didn't have the resolution transparency to make the heroic better de-emphasis methods audibly better than just using SoX. The old versions of iTunes did a poor job of de-emphasis that was audibly inferior. Not good. SoX is good and has better resolution transparency than the AD converters used to do pre-emphasis. I've yet to hear a digital de-emphasis that does a better job of polishing the pre-emphasis turd.
Very informative. I appreciate your insight on this will add it to my always learning, though sometimes also forgetting knowledge base. Thank you!
also... reread a 2nd time and need to mention de-emphasis almost always results in peak values and DR values to be lower. This, of course, is perhaps the opposite of the results some people may expect--mainly because the DR values typically are less, yet the sound is better.
Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread or not, but have run into a couple of unusual pre-emphasis CD's in the last two days. First off, got a copy of "A Flock of Seagulls" yesterday that has SID codes and still has pre-emphasis. Second, today got a copy of Rainbow's "Catch the Rainbow: The Anthology" from @WarEagleRK that has one single track with pre-emphasis.
