Pre emphasis list?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by andyinstal, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    Make sure all tracks are highlighted (chosen)
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    It will scan each track. If the drive isn't compatible it may go into a never-ending scan loop
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    This disc has now been verified as having pre SUBQ channel.
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  2. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Always ripping...

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    This must be the pre-beta version...
     
  3. Omnio

    Omnio _ _ _ ____ ____ _ _ _

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    Thanks for refreshing my memories, c-eling! I did just that with that particular pre-beta version of EAC and the process starts over when it reaches the last track of the disc. It basically goes in a loop and never ends. Guess it's my Lenovo Blu-ray rom that can't detect sub-coded pre-emphasis. Oh, well, at least I tried!

    Update: I'm getting the "never-ending loop" even when a non pre-emphasis cd is being analyzed the same way.
     
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  4. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    Yes.
     
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  5. Veovis

    Veovis Forum Resident

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    Have you tried ripping the CD with EAC pre-beta (or the up to date Cueripper) and checked the cue file for the "flags pre"?

    Edit: Also, I'm sure you're aware, but the ripping process itself is the same regardless of the CD having pre-emphasis or not. It's only about knowing whether or not the resulting files need post processing to get them to sound as intended. Neither EAC or Cueripper apply de-emphasis automatically when detecting pre-emphasis.
     
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  6. Omnio

    Omnio _ _ _ ____ ____ _ _ _

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    I'm thinking of buying this cd and, according to Discogs, it has pre-emphasis in TOC:

    Jean-Pierre Rampal, Claude Bolling ‎– Bolling: Suite No. 2 For Flute & Jazz Piano Trio (CBS ‎– MK 42318)

    Not sure if it qualifies for the compiled list in this thread, but I thought I put it out here. Link here: Jean-Pierre Rampal, Claude Bolling – Bolling: Suite No. 2 For Flute & Jazz Piano Trio (1987, CD)

    Off: I can't make Cueripper to rip my cds - guess I'm just too senile but it keeps talking about that it can't make the rip in batch mode or smtg like that. Very frustrating. Tried to look for a tutorial online, to no avail. EAC ripped the disc all right, but, upon opening the CUE file in notepad I just see this:

    Track01.wav
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    Track06.wav
    Track07.wav
    Track08.wav
    Track09.wav
    Track10.wav
    Track11.wav
    Track12.wav
    Track13.wav
    Track14.wav
    Track15.wav
    Track16.wav
    Track17.wav
    Track18.wav
     
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  7. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    Probably correct, another title of his has been listed here.
    The loop happens when an incompatible drive is used. I went through three of them. Wouldn't work with cueripper either.
     
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  8. Y9771

    Y9771 time traveller

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    You are most definitely using incompatible OS. In my experience, you need windows 2000 for those old EAC versions to detect subcode flags without looping or other nonsenses. Even in XP didn't work for me, tho possibly would work in XP with lesser service pack. Don't expect that it will work correctly on anything newer. So if you're not willing to have a legacy computer where it would work, instead use the other method - CUEripper. That one works on newer OSes as well (latest I tried is 7, cannot confirm for 8 or 10). What was said by other guy above regarding incompatible drive, might be another issue in addition, I don't know. But what I said applies considering you have drive that is able to detect flags in subcode to begin with.
     
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  9. Y9771

    Y9771 time traveller

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    This title is known for pre-emphasis, but this particular pressing was not reported previously I think

    Lionel Richie - s/t [MCD06007MD]
    1986 Sanyo pressing with following matrix: MCD06007MD 60120J MANUFACTURED BY SANYO JAPAN
    flags present in TOC
     
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  10. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Always ripping...

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    Pre-Emphasis not present on the below two versions (Pre-Emphasis NOT in SUBCODE or TOC determined by EAC and CUERipper)

    Suite for Flute and Jazz Piano (JP for US)
    CBS Masterworks MK 33233, DIDC 20006
    Sony G3R-HC, JP (1983-1988) Neat Font Reverse--CSR-3X Hub
    Matrix: DIDC 20006 11
    Barcode: 074643323321
    EAC: 97.4 / 73.2 / 73.4 / 79.9 / 77.0 / 74.0 / 62.3
    CUETools TOCID: aF2BX9VHMOapQCdlzizT63l6SPI-
    AccurateRip ID: 000a3fc8-003c13aa-4b080407

    Suite for Flute and Jazz Piano (US for US)
    CBS Masterworks MK 33233, DIDC 20006
    DADC G1, US (1984/09-early 1987)
    Matrix: DIDC 20006 21A8
    Barcode: 074643323321
    EAC: 97.4 / 73.2 / 73.4 / 79.9 / 77.0 / 74.0 / 62.3
    CUETools TOCID: aF2BX9VHMOapQCdlzizT63l6SPI-
    AccurateRip ID: 000a3fc8-003c13aa-4b080407

    They are literally from the same master...
     
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  11. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    If TOC, yes you would of been able to detect it. But if you are unable to detect SUBQ, we still don't know for sure.
    Under EAC Options, do you have the first of the three dots checked?
     
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  12. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    Windows 10 and I have no issues. It's the drive that's incompatible.
     
  13. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Always ripping...

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    Note

    CUETools TOCID: aF2BX9VHMOapQCdlzizT63l6SPI-
    AccurateRip ID: 000a3fc8-003c13aa-4b080407

    I use both EAC and CUERipper for TOC and Subcode verification.

    CUE file

    REM DISCID 4B080407
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Suite for Flute and Jazz Piano"
    CATALOG 3448960244329
    REM DATE 1975
    REM DISCNUMBER 1
    REM TOTALDISCS 1
    REM COMMENT "CUERipper v2.1.6 Copyright (C) 2008-13 Grigory Chudov"
    FILE "01. Baroque and Blue.flac" WAVE
    TRACK 01 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Baroque and Blue"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 02 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Sentimentale"
    INDEX 00 05:16:65
    FILE "02. Sentimentale.flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 03 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Javanaise"
    INDEX 00 07:43:13
    FILE "03. Javanaise.flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 04 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Fugace"
    INDEX 00 05:17:45
    FILE "04. Fugace.flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 05 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Irlandaise"
    INDEX 00 03:53:40
    FILE "05. Irlandaise.flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 06 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Versatile (with Bass Flute)"
    INDEX 00 03:02:00
    FILE "06. Versatile (with Bass Flute).flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 07 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Claude Bolling & Jean-Pierre Rampal"
    TITLE "Véloce"
    INDEX 00 05:07:48
    FILE "07. Véloce.flac" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    ACCURIP file

    [CUETools log; Date: 7/28/2021 8:26:58 AM; Version: 2.1.6]
    [CTDB TOCID: aF2BX9VHMOapQCdlzizT63l6SPI-] found.
    [ CTDBID ] Status
    [333a22e7] (147/150) Accurately ripped
    [765327f1] (001/150) No match
    [d5abce46] (001/150) No match
    [08d178a9] (001/150) No match
    Track | CTDB Status
    1 | (149/150) Accurately ripped
    2 | (150/150) Accurately ripped
    3 | (149/150) Accurately ripped
    4 | (149/150) Accurately ripped
    5 | (149/150) Accurately ripped
    6 | (150/150) Accurately ripped
    7 | (149/150) Accurately ripped
    [AccurateRip ID: 000a3fc8-003c13aa-4b080407] found.
    Track [ CRC | V2 ] Status
    01 [a2f6f7c0|428cfc65] (014+034/120) Accurately ripped
    02 [1a2d931e|ad1b767b] (014+033/116) Accurately ripped
    03 [97df03e8|d0094020] (014+034/116) Accurately ripped
    04 [d18b3b18|fce50f19] (014+034/118) Accurately ripped
    05 [91dac263|190144f2] (014+034/118) Accurately ripped
    06 [73eb3fba|edeccc4b] (014+034/119) Accurately ripped
    07 [d171e470|4a651274] (013+034/118) Accurately ripped
    Offsetted by -635:
    01 [2cef4a87] (003/120) Accurately ripped
    02 [59062bce] (003/116) Accurately ripped
    03 [2433a392] (003/116) Accurately ripped
    04 [6b5dae26] (003/118) Accurately ripped
    05 [624a21f4] (003/118) Accurately ripped
    06 [d8a4e4a2] (003/119) Accurately ripped
    07 [628badaf] (003/118) Accurately ripped
    Offsetted by -180:
    01 [b14955c4] (002/120) Accurately ripped
    02 [af7aba5e] (002/116) Accurately ripped
    03 [c18a9c00] (002/116) Accurately ripped
    04 [a8fa46a9] (002/118) Accurately ripped
    05 [1c07ff4e] (002/118) Accurately ripped
    06 [3f01bf1a] (002/119) Accurately ripped
    07 [9bc62994] (002/118) Accurately ripped
    Offsetted by 95:
    01 [0390bf05] (018/120) Accurately ripped
    02 [8cc6702e] (017/116) Accurately ripped
    03 [45792c86] (016/116) Accurately ripped
    04 [aa1f8d34] (017/118) Accurately ripped
    05 [ca3a1b2c] (017/118) Accurately ripped
    06 [f57c18f2] (018/119) Accurately ripped
    07 [ec8bea9d] (018/118) Accurately ripped
    Offsetted by -147:
    01 [1b2afbff] (000/120) No match (V2 was not tested)
    02 [5c23554e] (000/116) No match (V2 was not tested)
    03 [99e48462] (000/116) No match (V2 was not tested)
    04 [51fd78ac] (000/118) No match (V2 was not tested)
    05 [2b2291ee] (000/118) No match (V2 was not tested)
    06 [9913c9e2] (000/119) No match (V2 was not tested)
    07 [2b0b9ce7] (000/118) No match (V2 was not tested)
    Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL]
    -- 97.4 [600B1B44] [7AC967AF]
    01 97.4 [1A7011E3] [6A3FBC00]
    02 73.2 [7E2AF094] [00FBC2BC]
    03 73.4 [461DD776] [5B759D18]
    04 79.9 [7C67F5B4] [BE53AA3B]
    05 77.0 [63C9EE92] [6AD878DF]
    06 74.0 [ECAE8136] [9373BCD9]
    07 62.3 [F3B7D922] [74EF2F50]

     
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  14. Omnio

    Omnio _ _ _ ____ ____ _ _ _

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    Are we coming close to a solution here? :p
     
  15. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Always ripping...

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    If referring to Pre-Emphasis, answer and documentation provided in above post.
     
  16. c-eling

    c-eling Fruit Juice Everywhere

    Crap, sorry Gecko, I got you and Omnio screwed up.
    I know you have the ability! So that discogs entry is incorrect.
     
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  17. coolsound

    coolsound Forum Resident

    Do you know if the Drive nuprime CDT 8 pro correct pre-emphasis ? because when i read the EMI Deep purple machine head with pre-emphasis it sounds almost exact as the DCC with more 3D.
     
  18. Veovis

    Veovis Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
    I have both CD:s and can say that the early EMI CD without compensating for pre-emphasis sounds much brighter than the DCC. My de-emphasised files of the EMI CD indeed sound tonally similar to the DCC. The DCC just sounds a bit leaner (I prefer the de-emphasised EMI).

    So yes, I'd say the CDT 8 probably detects pre-emphasis and corrects it through its DSP-board. Don't know if the drive can detect pre-emphasis in the subcode though. The Machine head EMI has the flags in the TOC, so that's how I detected it when ripping the CD.
     
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  19. coolsound

    coolsound Forum Resident

    Thanks for your informations ;)
     
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  20. Cuyler

    Cuyler Forum Resident

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    Not sure if this has been reported here, but I now have two other Alfa Records discs for A&M Records and can confirm they have pre-emphasis, thanks to XLD:
    • Chuck Mangione, Feels So Good (38XB-5)
    • Herb Alpert, Rise (38XB-6)
     
  21. earshot

    earshot Compact Disc Digital Audio

    Location:
    The Netherlands
    1987 La Compagnie Créole ‎– La Machine A Danser
    Zagora (Carrere) ‎– 96.453
    MPO France
     
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  22. earshot

    earshot Compact Disc Digital Audio

    Location:
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    1986 Camel – The Collection
    Castle Communications – CCSCD 116
    Toshiba Japan
     
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  23. earshot

    earshot Compact Disc Digital Audio

    Location:
    The Netherlands
    1985 Sapho – Passions, Passons
    Antigel, Celluloid – CEL 6770
    MPO France
    No barcode
     
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  24. SimonSaysCake

    SimonSaysCake Forum Resident

    I've been busy, digging up some older classical titles. Pardons if duplicates:

    Richard Wagner - "Cabille Sings Wagner", Montserrat Cabille, NY Phil., Zubin Mehta, Japan CBS Masterworks, MK 37294, UPC: 07464372942, matrix: "38DC-43-3 971", hub: "MANUFACTURED BY CBS SONY RECORDS INC.", PE in sub-q.

    Richard Strauss & Witold Lutoslawski - "Oboe Concertii", Heinz Holliger, Michael Gielen Cond., Japan Vox Cum Laude MMG, cat. no. MCD-10006, UPC: 04716300062, matrix: "MCD-10006 2", hub: "MADE BY MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC IND.CO.LTD. Technics", PE in sub-q.

    The Moody Blues - "Collection", West Germany Castle Records, CCSCD-105, UPC: 5013428731055, matrix: "SONOPRESS 8-6426 / CCSCD 105 A", no hub text, PE in the TOC.

    Richard Strauss - "Also Sprach Zarathustra", Japan CBS Masterworks, Japan for EU, Zibin Mehta, NY Phil., CD-35888, no UPC, matrix: "38DC-10 3 1B1", hub text: "MANUFACTURED BY CBS SONY RECORDS INC.", PE in sub-q.
    Richard Strauss - "Also Sprach Zarathustra", Japan CBS Masterworks, Japan for US, Zibin Mehta, NY Phil., MK-35888, UPC: 07464358882, matrix: "38DC-10 3 1B1", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Sarah Vaughan - "Gershwin Live!", Michael Tilson Thomas, Japan CBS recs., MK 37277, UPC: 07464372772, DIDP 50057, matrix: "35DP-57 11", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q

    Rachmaninoff - "Concerto 2 & Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini", Cecile Licad piano, Claudio Abbado dir., Japan CBS Masterworks, MK 38672, UPC: 07464386722, matrix: "DIDC 20014 101A5 +++++", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q

    John Williams - "A Portrait of John Williams", Japan CBS/Sony Records, 38DC 68, matrix: "38DC-68 11A2", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Gustav Holst - "The Planets", Japan CBS Masterworks, Japan for EU, Lorin Maazel, cat. no. CD 37249, matrix: "38DC-121-1 1A5" (earliest crude font), hub text: "MANUFACTURED BY CBS SONY RECORDS INC.", PE in sub-q.
    Gustav Holst - "The Planets", Japan CBS Masterworks, Japan for US, Lorin Maazel, cat. no. MK-37249, matrix: "38DC-12 81A2", hub text: n/a, PE in TOC.

    Brahms - "Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor", Japan CBS Masterworks, MK 35850, Lazar Berman piano, Chicago SO, Erich Leinsdorf cond., matrix: "38DC-19 61A2", hub text: "MANUFACTURED BY CBS SONY RECORDS INC.", PE in sub-q.

    Bach - "The Goldberg Variations", Japan CBS Masterworks, MK 37779, Glenn Gould, matrix: "38DC-35 21C2", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Brahms - "Sym. No. 3", Japan CBS Masterworks, Bruno Walter, Columbia SO, MK 42022, matrix: "35DC-87 11A3 +++++", hub text: "CSR", PE in sub-q.

    Beethoven - "Sym. No. 9 'Choral'", Japan CBS/Sony, 35DC-34, Maazel & Cleveland Orch matrix: "35DC-34-1-+--+--" x 2, hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Schubert - "Sym. No. 9 'The Great'", Japan CBS Masterworks, Bruno Walter cond. & Columbia SO, MBK-44828, UPC: 07464448282, matrix: "DIDC-070497 1 * ** *****", hub text: "Made in USA by Digital Audio Disc Corp.", PE in TOC.

    Mahler - "Sym. No. 4", Japan PCM Digital - Denon, Eliahu Inbal, C37-7952, UPC: T4988001030638, matrix: "C37-7952 1a18 81 2" (dot matrix font), hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Janacek - "Glagolitic Mass", Japan Supraphon Recs., 33C37-7448, Sir Charles Mackerras cond., matrix: "33C37-7448 778 1A8 5Z 68 9 Y" (dot matrix font), hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Bruckner - "Sym. No. 7 in E Maj.", Japan Denon Recs., 38C37-7286, no UPC, matrix: "38C37-7286 1A3 51", hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Mozart - "Piano Sonatas", Japan Denon Recs., C37-7387, no UPC, matrix: "C37-7387 1A5 61", hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Schubert - "Unfinished" / Sym. No. 5, Japan Denon Recs., 38C37-7156, no UPC, matrix: "38C37-7156 1B1 61", hub text: N/A, PE in sub-q.

    Clifford Jordan Quartet - "Repetition", Soul Note Recs., made in France, "SN 1084 CD", no UPC, matrix: "SN 1084 MPO 03", hub text: "COMPACT DISC MPO FRANCE 12", PE in TOC.

    Wynton Kelly - "Kelly Blue", Riverside/Carrere Dist., made in France, cat. no. CA 802 98.916, matrix: "98916 B 5467 A", hub text: N/A, PE in TOC.

    Lionel Richie - "Can't Slow Down", Japan Motown Recs., MCD06059MD, matrix: "DIDX-14 11A8 +++++", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q, jewel case tray has rare "tripod" hub.

    Mike Oldfield - "Tubular Bells", Virgin Recs., cat. no. CDV2001, matrix: "CDV 2001 2891087 01", hub text: n/a, disc made in Switzerland with carved silver hub, PE in sub-q.

    Various artists - "Zoltan Rozsnyai conducting the Philharmonia Hungarica", "Digital Masterpiece Series: Disc Three", Japan Realtime recs, cat. no. RT-2004, matrix: "RT-2004 11A1", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Various artists - "West Side Story: Original Sound Track", Japan CBS/Sony Recs., cat. no. 35DP-59, matrix: "35DP-59 1", hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Lionel Hampton - "L. Hampton Swings with G. Kawaguchi", Japan Paddle Wheel/King recs., cat. no. K38Y-6002, matrix: "K38Y-6002 11A3 +++++", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Stravinsky - "Petrouchka", Japan CBS Masterworks, cat. no. MK-35823, UPC: , 07464358232. matrix: "38DC-11 51", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Haydn - "Complete Works for Keyboard (Volume 3)" - Walid Akl, piano, Thesis recs., cat. no. THC-82011, UPC: n/a, Made in France, matrix: "LORDISC DIGIP THC-82011 CD03N", hub text: n/a, PE in TOC.

    Richard Strass - "Ein Heldenleben", CBS Masterworks, cat. no. MY-34566, UPC: 07464345662, matrix: "35DC-40 51A3", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    J.S. Bach & Vivaldi - "Concerti for 2 Violins", CBS Masterworks, Japan for EU, cat. no. MK-37278, UPC: N/A, matrix: "38DC-37 51 +++++ (something or character obliterates the first two of these +)", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Mozart - "Concertos", CBS Masterworks, Murray Perahia, cat. no. MK-36686, UPC: 07464366862, matrix: "38DC-51 91A1", hub text: "CSR COMPACT DISC" x 3, PE in sub-q.

    Tchaikovsky - "Symphony No. 5", CBS Masterworks, Lorin Maazel w/Cleveland Orch., Japan for EU, cat. no. CD 36700, UPC: n/a, matrix: "38DC-7121A1 +++++ (etched barcode)", hub text: "CSR", PE in sub-q.

    Bedrich Smetana - "My Country", Supraphon, Japan Denon, cat. no. 38C37-7241, matrix: "TD-9007 1B1 57", hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    Mozart - "String Quartet in B Flat Maj. KV458 'Hunting'", Denon recs., cat. no. C37-7003, matrix: "7003 B13" (earliest crude font in clear hub), hub text: n/a, PE in sub-q.

    -s1m0n-
     
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  25. Robert C

    Robert C Forum Resident

    Location:
    London, UK
    I've discovered a CD that dBpoweramp seems to think has pre-emphasis, but only on five tracks...

    Paul Horn : Nomad - Selected Pieces: 1976 - 1988
    Label: Kuckuck – 11087-2
    Country: Germany
    Released: 1990

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    Seems unusual, no?
     
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