Predicting the Movie Hits and Bombs of 2019

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  1. thegage

    thegage Forum Currency Nerd

    I don't know why people would go see Lion King, as the trailer seems to indicate that it is simply a shot-for-shot remake of the original, just in different (CGI) animation. But then I am only a casual Disney fan and wouldn't have predicted Beauty and the Beast would have done so well.

    John K.
  2. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    Here is a couple of movies that I saw the trailer's for when watching Fantastic Beasts.

    I think they look entertaining and I predict that they will both do well at the box office.

    From Wikipedia:

    "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu (also known as Detective Pikachu) is an upcoming action-adventure family film directed by Rob Letterman and written by Nicole Perlman and Letterman, based on the 2016 video game of the same name. The film is an American and Japanese joint venture produced by Warner Bros. Pictures, Legendary Pictures, and The Pokémon Company. It is the first live-action film based on the Pokémon franchise. The film stars Ryan Reynolds as the voice and facial motion capture of DetectivePikachu, with Justice Smith, Kathryn Newton and Ken Watanabe in live-action roles.

    It is scheduled to be released in RealD 3D on May 10, 2019,[4] making it the first Pokémon film to receive a wide theatrical release in the United States, and the first to be distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures since Pokémon 3: The Movie in 2001."

    The movie looked well done and the trailer was entertaining (I know little to nothing about the Pikachu culture).

    It should do well as a family movie.

    The second, which looks killer good, is Alita, Battle Angel, from James Cameron and Jon Landau. This looks like it is going to be a mega hit. The trailer was fantastic!

    From Wikipedia:

    "Alita: Battle Angel is an upcoming American cyberpunk action film based on Yukito Kishiro's manga Battle Angel Alita. Produced by James Cameronand Jon Landau, the film is directed by Robert Rodriguez from a screenplay by Cameron and Laeta Kalogridis. Production and release were repeatedly delayed due to Cameron's work on Avatar and its sequels. The film stars Rosa Salazar in the title role, with supporting roles portrayed by Christoph Waltz, Jennifer Connelly, Mahershala Ali, Ed Skrein, Jackie Earle Haley and Keean Johnson. It is scheduled to be released on February 14, 2019 by 20th Century Fox in Real D 3D, Dolby Cinema and IMAX 3D."

    As to some of the other movies being released in 2019...

    I think that Disney will score a hit with Dumbo. What family would not take the kids to see Dumbo?

    Another Aladdin, I don't really think so. I never saw that the original one was that popular with the kid's. If the animated version was not that popular, I can't see where they are going to go with this one?

    Lion King, how could that not work?

    Yikes! Yet another Godzilla movie? Maybe Millie Bobbie Brown can help pull this one off? Teenager meets Godzilla?

    Toy Story 4, They haven't missed with a Toy Story movie yet.

    If a Queeen movie can do as well as it did, I think that an Elton John "Rocketman" movie can do as well or better. I doubt that the production costs for a movie about Elton John would be prohibitively high as to make it hard for the producer's to get a decent return on their money.

    Yet, another TERMINATOR movie? And, Linda Hamilton is back? The franchise keeps getting more convoluted as they move from movie to movie. I actually like the last one, more than most did. But I think the one is going to be a tough box office sell.

    Star Wars IX, FINALLY, after only three decades. I think they already have a built in audience for the final, final chapter. I think that people will want to see the final movie, after all these years. I think that everyone wants to see how it ends. I think that everybody wants to finally see it end. I think after this one, Disney needs to wait awhile...

    Frozen II, Of course!
  3. All these Disney live action remakes will do big box office because a new generation gets introduced via CF versions. but I agree and dislike the shot for shot style like Beauty and the Beast. However I did enjoy Jungle Book and Cinderella . They worked well. Kenneth Branaugh did good with Cinderella.
  4. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

    Götaland, Sverige
    Rambo V

    Is Stallone going to do what he did in the last one 10 years ago? I don't think so, he's to old to make it believable..
    Is he going to outsmart them like a Sherlock Holmes or an older Batman? :D
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  5. thegage

    thegage Forum Currency Nerd

    My uninformed opinion is that the first one was so popular because of Robin Williams. Disney achieved what Pixar later became so good at, a movie that appeals to both kids and their parents. Some of Disney's more recent traditional animation films have come close (Tangled is one I can think of), but I don't know if they can repeat the magic-in-a-bottle (ha, ha) of Williams.

    John K.
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  6. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Seeker of Truth

    Thank you for the list; I'm not encouraged though.
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  7. Jim B.

    Jim B. Forum Resident

    This thread is called predict the Movie Hits and Bombs - are you saying Rambo V will be a hit or a bomb?
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  8. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

    Götaland, Sverige
    Right, forgot that part... Hit!
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  9. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Forum Resident

    Rocketman will not come close to Bohemian Rhapsody.

    I call Dumbo: D.O.A.
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  10. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Positivity


    The 1992 animated Aladdin was the highest grossing film of 1992, briefly the highest grossing animated film of all-time (before being overtaken by The Lion King) and the recipient of two Academy Awards. It was hugely popular and remains a childhood touchstone for people of my generation. I grew up with the Disney Renaissance films. Aladdin is one of the biggies, along with Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast and Lion King.

    All that being said, I'm pretty sure the new one will be garbage.

    If I had to predict the order of success for 2019's Disney films from highest grossing to lowest grossing, I would guess:

    1. Avengers: Endgame
    2. The Lion King
    3. Frozen II
    4. Star Wars Episode IX
    5. Toy Story 4
    6. Captain Marvel
    7. Spider-Man: Far from Home
    8. Dumbo
    9. Aladdin
    10. Artemis Fowl

    The Lion King and Frozen II could switch places.
    Full year for them. This is to say nothing of the quality of the films. I actually have high hopes for Dumbo to be really great.
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  11. We seldom go see Movies in the Theaters anymore. Haven’t seen anything in his thread to change that.

    Sequels and remakes completely dominate. Again.
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  12. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    Back in the early 90's, I started to collect used VHS tapes from Blockbuster (I ended up with 3,800 of them!).

    Over the next few years, I had a large collection of Disney movies. A friend of mine had two small children and I used to bring over movies to watch. They never seemed to care much for Aladin (I didn't seem to get into it either). I didn't realize that it was that popular back then, as a children's movie.

    I have never watched any of the superhero movies and have never seen the Avenger's, so I could not comment there, other than I understand they are making a lot of money for the studio's.

    I watched Frozen only a couple of weeks before and I can see why it is so popular. Number II will be BIG as will Lion King II. How could they not be?

    I thought that the final chapter of Star Wars would top the list, because, after three decades, there are three generations of movie goer's who I think would want to watch the conclusion. Plus, it has always been the successful franchise that Lucas built his career on. I can't imagine a more well know movie on the planet. It is so much been a part of our culture, the way that the Wizard of Oz was in years past.

    I have to say that I was really pleased with VII and the new character's that were introduced. I only bought the DVD for VIII and watched it a few weeks ago and I thought that it was so well done also. Quite the turn around from the "prequels".

    I look forward to IX, I hope that for the conclusion, that they really hit it out of the ballpark!

    I saw Dumbo way down your list and then I saw your comments about having high hopes for Dumbo, think that the movie would really be great.

    I saw the previews and I think that it will really be great too! Why so far down on your list? Everyone already LOVE's Dumbo!
  13. Deuce66

    Deuce66 Forum Resident

    Any thoughts on this?? I had no idea who she was until yesterday, tells you how out of touch I am with mainstream pop culture. I guess you're a pretty big deal when your last video hits over 1 Billion views on Youtube and streams on Spotify.

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  14. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Positivity

    The success of Star Wars IX is a bit difficult to predict, due to the fanbase being quite broken following The Last Jedi. It will certainly make a lot of money, but I see Avengers, The Lion King and Frozen II all having the potential to go over $1 billion at the box office. I think IX will make less than that. There is also historical precedent. For the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy the pattern has been the same: the first movie in the trilogy makes an insane amount of money, the second film makes less money than that, the third film makes more money than the second but not as much as the first. I think the sequel trilogy is on target to follow the same pattern.

    As for Dumbo: I love the original film (one of my favorites when I was little) and Tim Burton is a great talent. However, there is no escaping the fact that the original Dumbo came out in 1941. It just doesn't have the relevance to kids today that the MCU, Frozen or even the '90s Disney films do.
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  15. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I guess that I am out of tough as much as your are, maybe even more so, since I still have no idea who this is?

    I just happened to see the trailer for Battle Angel Alita and liked it. Then seeing that Cameron and Jon Landau, are behind the production and that the film is directed by Robert Rodriguez, that's a lot of DNA going for it. Besides, I was thoroughly impressed by the trailer.

    Till I looked up the film on Weki, I had not heard of the character and did not know that it was a big animated thing in Japan.

    Now, hearing what you say about the YouTube views and Spotify streams, I can see that this might be the really huge movie out this upcoming year.
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  16. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I think that Toy Story was extremely successful due to Tom Hanks. Way more so, then without him.

    I think that with Kristen Bell and Idina Menzel, Frozen II is sure to be completely successful at the box office.

    Besides, children love Disney's music!
  17. That80sBaldAsianBadGuy

    That80sBaldAsianBadGuy Forum Resident

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    Battle Angel Alita I'm afraid will suffer the same fate as Immortal Engines. Their youtube views both are less than 20 million.I do remember seeing the trailer twice in theaters and the reaction was quite muted. Not to mention the whole anime eyes on the main character looks creepy
  18. Jim B.

    Jim B. Forum Resident

    I really don't know if having a big name actor makes that much difference to be honest. I mean Buzz is just as popular as Woody but most people won't know who Tim Allen is.

    Likewise if you look at the big Disney and Pixar grossing films - Frozen, Zootopia, Incredibles and Finding Dory - none have a big name like Hanks to pull people in. Anybody could have done the voices for Frozen I think and it wouldn't make any difference.

    I think Toy Story would be just as popular without Hanks, as long as who did it was a good voice actor. It was a great concept, great script, a new style of animation.

    It puzzles me these days why they don't just hire the really good specialised voice actors but seem to populate these films with big name movie stars. No fan of Brad Pitt is just going to go and see an animated film because he is doing the voice. I think it takes work away from those people that work mainly in that field to hire just big film stars. I was watching Up again yesterday and that stars Edward Asner and Jordan Nagai, who I wouldn't call big Hollywood stars, but they do their roles perfectly. I don't need a big star.
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  19. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I think that there are a couple main differences here. Mainly Mortal Engines was strictly an England thing that was published almost eighteen years ago and has already gone cold. Unlike Harry Potter, it never had a strong audience in the United States.

    Although Peter Jackson acquired the rights to it, he did not direct it.

    I think the Cameron/Rodriguez power combo has a lot going for it from the start.

    Additionally, as I understand, it has a ready made audience in the Asian market, which is quite a bit larger than the box office in England. This will kick off the international box office numbers overnight.

    "I do remember seeing the trailer twice in theaters and the reaction was quite muted." I would not find that so unexpected, given that the US audience that was seeing the trailer's, perhaps for the first time, were likely, like me, to be unfamiliar with the subject matter.

    "Not to mention the whole anime eyes on the main character looks creepy" Considering the movies background, I wouldn't think that the "anime eyes" thing would be that unexpected?
  20. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    Have you ever seen the lines for the Dumbo ride at Disney?

    I think that Dumbo is one of those older Disney movies that are aimed at younger children, which is where animation was marketed back then. Live action stuff was for older children.

    When more modern day animation has come out, like Lion King, Shrek and such, I think that Disney (wisely) has discovered that animation can have a far wider appeal.

    Parents are more likely to take their young children to a children's movie, if they don't have to sit groaning through the whole movie.

    Coming from old style animation. I could never get a grip on the animation that Disney went through in the earlier days of computer graphics where the character's had angular faces.

    Now, we are at a new era, where they can successfully produce a combination of live action and animation. Beauty and the Beast proved that remaking an animated feature as a combination of live action and convincing animation has proven very workable.

    I would predict that we will be seeing more successful children's movies that are a combination of live action and animation, than we will be seeing a completely live action version of the original animated movie.

    Being that Dumbo does back to 1941, it is a multi-generational thing. Everybody knows Dumbo. Everybody loves Dumbo.

    That in itself give it a good head start.
  21. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I wondered about that myself, when I started seeing that more and more modern day animated movie character's were being voiced by actor's who were big stars.

    I was thinking, what exactly is the point? The animated movies and cartoons that I grew up watching were "famous" because of the character's that were created by voice actors.

    Think, Bugs Bunny and Porky the Pig.

    But, I think that the reason is, is that we are subliminally used to these actor's voices and gives us a pre-acceptance of the character from early on.

    Why else would studio's like Disney spend obviously way more money that they would have to, to pay for high earning actors like Tom Hanks, when they could hire a far less expensive and unknown voice actor to create and voice the part?

    Don Pardo, made a good career on TV by being a voice announcer. I think that this is a carryover from the old radio days, where you did associate the people by their distinctly recognisable voices.

    I saw Polar Express on TV earlier this month for the first time. Tom Hanks voice is instantly recognisable.

    I think that in Toy Story, Tom Hanks does have a more recognisable voice than Tim Allen, who does an excellent job too.

    I remember, some years back, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (1991), which was an early attempt of doing animation that looked more like real live characters. In that movie, which I kind of liked, Steve Buscemi voiced one of the character's. Through the whole movie, every time I head "Steve" talk, I was expecting to see an animated, real life character that looked somewhat like Steve.

    It would have been different if the was playing a talking animal. But, since the movie was supposed to be lifelike, my mind kept expecting to see a character that looked like Steve in real life. That was my one pet peeve in the movie, I think they should have made the animated character look like the real Steve Buscimi, problem solved.

    I don't think that Frozen applies here. I think that besides big name actors, it should be equally extended to include actors who have voices that have had exposure to the public.

    This would apply to Kristen Bell from her early TV roll as a teenage detective, Veronica Mars (although in her mid 20;s at the time) and continuing with her rolls in TV, Movies and video games. Click on her name to link to her IMDB Filmography. Although the has been acting before Veronica Mars, it was that roll that put her on the map, back in 2004.

    If you look at her filmography from that point forward, she have been continuing to work steadily in movies and TV, which give her a great deal of public exposure with her voice.

    Idina Menzel is widely known and recognized for her singing voice and Frozen is a musical, so that could be expected.

    What we did not know, is how talented that Kristen Bell would be as a singer, which no doubt, secured her part in Frozen. Singing is something that not many voice actors are highly skilled at.

    Kristen did a superb part i Frozen, playing Anna. I expect that she will be highly successful in the future in animated movies.

    Back when Disney did the animated version of Beauty and the Beast, Disney procured the talents of Paige O'Hara, who was a successful Broadway actress for the part of Beauty.

    A side note. Paige O'Hara, is originally from Fort Lauderdale. A friend of mine was producing a high school production of Funny Girl. Although Paige had graduated from the H.S. the previous year, they invited he back to do the roll of Fanny Brice, due to her talent and singing abilities.

    My friend did not particularly care for the P.A. system in our local professional equity theater, which they had rented for the production, so I lent him my pair of Altec Lansing, A7, Voice of the Theater speakers for the production. They sat on either side of the stage and were used exclusively for the vocal's, while the house P.A. system was utilized for the orchestra. Paige sang through my speakers.
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  22. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I can see where Bohemian Rhapsody would have a concert dynamic that would have an appeal that an Elton John performance would be missing.

    But after the success of BR, I think the director will know how to put the Elton John movie together so that it does have public appeal.

    Disagree with you on Dumbo.
  23. The Elton film was in production before BoRap was released.
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  24. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Forum Resident

    I know the DCEU is pretty much done, but WB will continue pumping out their comicbook movies. Any feelings about Shazam?
  25. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I don't ever remember it even being a popular comic, back in the day.

    With so many comic book themed movies, this one will stand alone. From the outset, I just don't see it going over well and I do see them spending stupid money on it.

    I can see, that comic book movies have replaced comic books themselves. I think that it is more of a good thing as it keeps the comic book culture alive.

    I can see excitement about a Batman movie or something from the Marvel universe.

    I really can't imagine any one getting excited enough to say "let's go see the new Shazam movie"?

    Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, I can't see it getting off of the ground.
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