Pro-ject NEW 2019 record cleaning machines VC-S2 ALU and VC-E

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  1. Wachuko

    Wachuko Forum Resident

    Location:
    Orlando, FL USA
    Surprised nobody has made a 3-D printed diverter for it... I just checked Thingiverse.com for one...

    Thank you. I will give it very little use as my collection is not huge... but I find that I need to clean them often due to the suspended dust around the room...
     
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  2. MGW

    MGW Less travelling, more listening

    Location:
    Scotland, UK
    No, no, no!

    It has interchangeable large and small (label-sized) platters - these are essentially an interference fit on the spindle.

    The label-sized platter is about 1 to 1.5mm larger (on the radius) than the label clamp - just enough to give the clamp something to bear on without bending the record.

    As yet I have not tried using the larger (full-sized) platter and have had no issues with the small (label-sized) one.

    The other notable feature of the unit is that it is super quiet in operation (even with the vacuum on).

    Not a great picture but just to show the small platter - taken without removing the unit form the shelf on which it is stored.
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    The Okki Nokki ONEd istributor int he US seems to be Vana Ltd:
    Okki Nokki .
     
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  3. Wachuko

    Wachuko Forum Resident

    Location:
    Orlando, FL USA
    Thank you!! That was the only concern that I had... I added myself to the waiting list to get one! Found a store in the USA that carries them, TrueAudiophile.com - I was told that it will be a month or so before it arrives.
     
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  4. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

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    Sweden
    When my good old Okki Nokki dies this is the RCM I’ll go for. :agree: Is there another RCM that has a better price performance ratio on the market right now? No I don’t think so. With all those features included I believe it’s very hard to beat in its price bracket and probably in the next higher price bracket as well.
     
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  5. Dischord

    Dischord Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Malmoe, Sweden
    The small platter is briefly shown at 5:00 in the video. I have seen the same video recently since I have been torn between getting a Okki Nokki One or a Pro-ject S2 Alu. But I am more and more leaning towards getting the Okki Nokki.
     
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  6. MGW

    MGW Less travelling, more listening

    Location:
    Scotland, UK
    The video narrated also incorrectly describes the small platter as being specifically for 7" records. It is not. It is for all sizes, just as I'd the full-size platter.
     
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  7. MOoz

    MOoz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    BDN
    I've been using the cleaner fluid that came with the VC-S but I hardly have any left. I read about L'Art Du Son, but is it really worth it? 100ml are more than double the price of the VC-S liquid.
    Anyone has used both?
    Thanks!
     
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  8. MGW

    MGW Less travelling, more listening

    Location:
    Scotland, UK
    I tried, briefly, the fluid that came with the Okki Nokki ONE and then tried the L'Art Du Son. The LADS was much easier to use and just seemed to get my LPs cleaner.
    Never tried the Pro-ject liquor but thoroughly recommend the LADS.
    The 100ml, once diluted, goes a very long way!
     
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  9. Sullygr2221

    Sullygr2221 Well-Known Member

    I used a 40:1 ratio that works very good. The Wash-It uses a 10:1 ratio.
    Gerald
     
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  10. E.Baba

    E.Baba Forum Resident

    It's very concentrated.
     
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  11. culp4684

    culp4684 Well-Known Member

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    08731
    I'm thinking of picking up either the VC-S or VC-E and was wondering if anyone used Tergikleen as their liquid. I've been using it with the Knox cleaner and i know that it has to be rinsed. Does anyone do this?
     
  12. FalseMetal666

    FalseMetal666 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    UPDATE

    Sumiko processed by warranty request pretty quickly, confirmed the vacuum motor is shot, and is replacing my VCS-MKII with a new VC-E.

    Hopefully it is a more robust machine than its predecessor.
     
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  13. displayname

    displayname Forum Resident

    Location:
    Dallas
    Finally got to put my VC-S Alu to the test! I cleaned a few records yesterday, but just now spinning a couple. The unit works great. Probably not the strongest suction on the market, and generally required a few rotations in each direction to get records fully dry. But it is so much easier and faster than the Squeaky Clean Vinyl I had been using. Slightly quieter as well.

    I'm early into testing, but I feel pretty happy with Pro-ject fluid as well. We'll see how that holds up as I get into some older/grimier albums.
     
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  14. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    This is my DIY solution for cleaning 45s on my Pro-Ject: a fender washer and a strip of cardstock.

    The only drawback is the clamp covers up much of the deadwax, and on longer sides, the wand sometimes doesn't totally reach the end of the play groove, requiring the use of a microfiber towel. Still, I am OK with that if it saves me from having to spend $149 on a Pro-Ject 45 kit.

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  15. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

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    Vallejo, CA
    Meanwhile, two months, two phone calls, and about five emails later and I still haven't heard a word from them. I'm told "ASAP" about once per week from the customer rep, still zero contact from service. I'm pretty speechless at this point.
     
  16. displayname

    displayname Forum Resident

    Location:
    Dallas
    I would expect your dealer to be step in and help with pushing them to get this resolved.
     
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  17. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

    Location:
    Vallejo, CA
    I've certainly considered this. But contacting my dealer to serve as a middle man when I already have direct access to the people whose job it is to resolve this isn't a very good look. Let's just say its a good thing I'm not really interested in any of Sumiko's product line.
     
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  18. FalseMetal666

    FalseMetal666 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    I had Upscale Audio badger Sumiko for me, might have helped. They were as disappointed as I was that something they sold fell on its stupid face after just a few months. Good eggs at Upscale, for sure.
     
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  19. displayname

    displayname Forum Resident

    Location:
    Dallas
    Yes, but this is also why a lot of companies work with dealers still. It essentially allows them to outsource some of this customer relationship management. Gives them fewer individuals to manage.
     
  20. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    You think that getting a retailer to lean on their vendor on your behalf isn't "a very good look?" This makes no sense to me. In what way does that reflect poorly on you?
     
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  21. dougotte

    dougotte Petty, Annoying Dilettante

    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Hi action pact. That's a great idea! Thanks for sharing. I tried it using a small piece of plastic on my VC-E.
     
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  22. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    That should work just fine, maybe better!

    Whenever I get around to cleaning some 10" discs, I plan to re-trim the cardboard so that the narrower side fills the gap.
     
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  23. rocnred

    rocnred Southwest Desert Freak-a-zoid

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Pro-Ject Record VCS Cleaning Machine Dust Cover
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075RRM38X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2763VQ7SN6URD&psc=1
     
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  24. Uglyversal

    Uglyversal Forum Resident

    Location:
    Sydney
    That is very interesting to know that exist. I will later on look for an alternative seller because "This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location." Amazon makes it just impossible to deal with them from Australia and they have been in my black books for some time.

    Thank you anyway, it's great that you've told me!
     
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  25. rocnred

    rocnred Southwest Desert Freak-a-zoid

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Just when I think I was ready to pull the trigger on a RCM, The Pro-Ject seemed like a perfect solution. Then I get further down the posts and see vacuums blowing up, poor customer service, large pita shipping returns, motors burning up, etc. Been looking at VPI & Okki Nokki and hearing similar but different things. Buying a tube amp, turntable, and a cart this year is nothing compared to this.

    On one hand you have people swearing by their RCM that they have had for 37 years. Then in the next post you got someone who has had one for a week and half and it is on fire and the toll-free customer service line is getting the busy signal.....for 8 days in a row!
    Then you have people swearing by how amazing they are and the records have little to no surface noise with no clicks. Then you got some guy who uses a wire coat hanger, a garden hose, and a shop vac and swears he can hear that Jimi had a salami sandwich during the recording of "Gypsy Eyes".

    But then again, record cleaning is more like voodoo magic than anything else. Think I just might whip me out some Elmer's wood glue and call it a day.
     

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