Record Cleaning

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by LTL, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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    This is my first post as a new member.
    I plan to use three different RCF’s to clean dirty records prior to using a record vacuum as the final step in the process. Two of the three fluids will be alcohol based (not isopropyl alcohol) and one will have no alcohol, only surfactants and other ingredients. I plan to rinse the record with high quality commercially available distilled water between fluid applications.
    My question is which fluid should be the final one applied prior to vacuuming or does it make no difference?
     
  2. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic Autodidact Debater

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    Welcome to the forum!

    Im having a hard time following.

    Youre going to put on 3 different solutions but not vacuum until the last one?
    Or are you making the solution on the record?

    Is there a specific reason to use 3 different fluids?
    Cleaning services may do several steps with enzymes and soaps before ultrasonic cleaning the record, but this is home cleaning, will you really go through the trouble to basically clean every record 3 times?
    Just a heads up, very few if any on this forum do that as far as Im aware.
    As for what order, it depends what in the mix, as mentioned I would firstly use enzymes to remove organic material and remove large debris before using a stronger chemical.
    Personally I would not use alcohol though when there are non alcohol based options.
     
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  3. vinylontubes

    vinylontubes Forum Resident

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    Why are you using 3 fluids? Honestly, if the record is that dirty, take the record to the sink and flow running water onto it. I usually have 3 different fluids, but I don't use them all at the same time. I usually have an enzyme cleaner for really filthy records. I also have some DIY stuff that I keep as back up. And I also have a bottle of L' Art du Son for most cleaning. The enzyme cleaner is only used when I get a really noisy record, but I don't use it commonly because I allow a 5 minute soak per side after scrubbing, then I scrub after the soak.
     
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  4. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic Autodidact Debater

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    This is how to do very deep cleaning @LTL , but as stated, why do you feel its needed for every record?
     
  5. rednedtugent

    rednedtugent Forum Resident

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    I use this method;
    "Avoid, rather than check. Check, rather than hurt. Hurt, rather than maim. Maim, rather than kill."

    If it is a new LP, I use a deep cleaning surfactant then rinse in distilled water.
    Dirty records get my home brew, then deep cleaning and rinse.

    If non of the above works, the LP goes in the RCM pile.
     
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  6. pacvr

    pacvr Well-Known Member

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    If you have the time, reading this document may answer some of your questions - https://thevinylpress.com/app/uploads/2020/05/PAC-Vinyl-Records_2020-05-19.pdf,
     
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  7. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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    I read an article posted in this forum from years ago by Michael Wayne and decided I would try his method on a few very soiled records I've owned for 50 years. I do not plan to use this method on every record. I will use an abbreviated version of his process on most records as needed. Based on everything I've read, I want to make sure I do not leave any RCF on the vinyl so the distilled water is something I will employ as a rinse. I've had a Discwasher and D4 since the early 80s, but my intent is to be more thorough, especially on very soiled records that may still play well if cleaned properly. Thanks for responding.
     
  8. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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  9. vinylshadow

    vinylshadow Forum Resident

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    Something I've been curious about. When folks speak of "rinsing" with distilled water or A.I. Ultra Pure, is it a pouring of the water onto the LP in the sink or putting it on the LP, brushing it along and vacuuming the water off.
     
  10. Nephrodoc

    Nephrodoc Forum Resident

    I now use an DIY ultrasonic followed by a rinse on a 16.5. Its really simplified my cleaning process, and has given me the best results. There is a ultrasonic owners thread on here with a lot of info.
     
  11. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    When using a vacuum based RCM it means, spreading the water around the record and then vacuuming off.
     
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  12. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    Hard to answer that question without knowing what three fluids you will be using and what each is suppose to do.

    Do you have a link to the Michael Wayne post on this forum you are referring to?
     
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  13. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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  14. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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    By the way, I like your MW image. I am an amateur photographer and have dozens of MW images from the local deserts I’ve captured over the years. As an aside, is that your capture?
     
  15. sturgus

    sturgus Forum Resident

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  16. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    No it's not, unfortunately. My brother did have a telescope when we were growing up and we attached our parents camera to it to take pictures of the moon mostly. Most of which came out blurry :) I found this image on the net. I can't even remember where I found it, it was so long ago.
     
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  17. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    I'm not familiar with the the G2 or Record Doctor formula as I've never used them. I do use L'art Du Son. Looks like all three are alcohol free.

    I have tried all sorts of formulas, Mofi's, home brew, tergitol, AIVS...

    Looking up the G2 and Record Doctor formula's, I think you might be duplicating effort here with different formulas but not necessarily getting better cleaning with each step. What I mean by that is, I think all three of these, the above two along with L'Art Du Son, are likely going to be effective but effective in the same way. If you already own some of them you might as well experiment, separately and as a three step combo.

    But I think you'll probably get better results, for records that need a deeper clean, by using one of those plus something like Vinylzmyme Gold, which is an enzyme based cleaner. AIVS and Mofi, IIRC, also make an enzyme based cleaner.

    AIVS are worth checking out as they have a multi step system as @sturgus linked to above. I tried it and liked it but they were harder to source up here in Canada so went back to L'Art Du Son and Vinylzyme gold with a sometimes use of a tergitol home brew mix depending on the mood I'm in. :)
     
  18. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

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    I only use L'Art du Son and nothing else when I clean my records on my RCM. If the record is very dirty I use the cleaning solution multiple times repeating- I don't need any other cleaning solution as L'Art du Son is very effective and always gives excellent results. I'm don't rinse the records during the cleaning session, I've done tests in the past but I didn't find any audible differences with or without rinsing so I decided to skip the rinsing process.

    Time is the key when cleaning records. To give the cleaning solution time to dissolve the dirt is essential to get good results. When I look at a lot of people cleaning their records they put on the cleaning solution, spread it during 3-4 rotations with the cleaning brush and then directly vacuuming it off. During my cleaning process I put the cleaning solution on, I spread it, I then let it work for 2-5 minutes before I use the brush again to lift up the dirt out of the groove before it's to vacuum it off. For me this is a foolproof method.
     
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  19. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks for your insights. It’s very interesting to dive deeper into the entire process. I have a few very soiled gems that I will soon find out if they are playable.
     
  20. LTL

    LTL New Member Thread Starter

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    I agree. I’ve been letting the solution remain on the vinyl a bit longer than advised by the manufacturers on a few test records. Thanks for the advice.
     
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  21. Just Walking

    Just Walking Forum Resident

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    Ultra pure water (multiple steps of filtering, de-ionizing and distillation) is absolutely not necessary. It almost instantly starts scavenging atmospheric gases and loses its ultra pure status almost immediately after opening the bottle. Just use regular distilled water that you get in 5 litres. I use Distilled Water in the UK. They also do triple distilled ultra-pure Triple Distilled Water - Buy Triple Distilled Water from UK supplier but like I say it does not stay ultra pure for long.
     
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