Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by liptrot, Sep 23, 2019.
I have used both the Lehmann Black Cube SE II and the Rega Aria. Both are excellent.
Hi folks, a "post mortem" on my P8 purchase.
I (finally!) got my Planar 8, Apheta3, and Aria.
1. I don't know if it's a defect, one poor unit or what, but the Aria was noisy. Like, very noisy. Perhaps if I saw things through and got a replacement, everything would have turned out fine. Instead my dealer suggested a brand new...
2. ..Parasound PC3 Jr as a replacement. Having read many reviews, I took the leap, and I'm very pleased! This is a super quiet unit, and matches perfectly with the P8/Apheta. And oh yeh, (yeh yeh yeh!) has a mono button that really comes in handy.
3. The P8 and Apheta3 sound great. So great, in fact, that I'm scrambling to make downstream improvements to truly appreciate this combo! Acoustic panels and vibration dampers are going up, each one having a positive impact on sound.
4. Three examples of sonic perfection:
A. Thelonious Monk -Underground. Like I invited him over to play at dinner
B. Pink Floyd - Animals. Wow. I bought this as a teen, and never realized what was in those grooves! Amazing how we go from jazz to rock with no issue. This may be a "clinical" cart, but not so much that it won't rock!
C. Beatles - Sgt Pepper 2014 Mono. (Had to be this one, right?). A try out for the PC3 Jr Mono button. Absolutely tremendous! The first time I really "heard" it, 100%. Until Apple gets us a better stereo mix, this is the one and it really delivers on this table!
5. Other than the Aria, were there issues?
Well, the Apheta3 attaches to the Planar 8 tonearm via three screws, assuming alignment will be perfect. Well guess what, it wasn't. Not off by far, but still off. I removed the third screw, and got out the protractor. Easy fix, but a fix that was needed.
One other issue is the cue mechanism is a bit wonky. It drops the arm too fast, unless you drop the lever all the way at once, in which case it takes a long time to get to the vinyl. Almost a feature to me, in that I like the human involvement in going easy, but be aware in case it's not just my unit.
VTR? I'm not bothering to check. Everything sounds fine for now.
And that's the bottom line for me... everything sounds fine! My vinyl never sounded so good! The P8/Alpheta3 is tremendous and I thank everyone who weighed in on the conversation. My personal experience is that you will super-pleased with a Parasound PC3 Jr as well as a Rega Ania.
And this is before it breaks in!
Anyone tried different Stands/bases with the p8/10? Im curious about the subject because an wall mount is not really an option for me. At least in my house you can feel more vibrations on the wall than on the floor when playing music, so why wall mount?
I have a very basic stand that has pointed feet that make contact with a carpet, with concrete below. The P8 goes on the top.
I found that this produced a slightly brittle sound, not what I was expecting. I added a 1" thick low-end acoustic foam platform between the P8 and table, and this made a huge difference. The brittleness was gone, and everything suddenly was sweeter.
I'm experimenting with platter mats next.
I have a Planar 10 and tried the thin Symposium which was okay but I had problems fitting adjustable footers. I now have the Finite Elemente - Carbofibre SD Isolation Base (19.7" x 18.7" x 0.9") **OPEN BOX** DEMO_AFINCBASECF02 from Music Direct and found that the sound is smoother with more details. Not as hard as without any base. I found a demo which reduced the price somewhat. Some people swear by butcher block and others like the Adona granite. The problems with those is that you will need to fit them with adjustable footers. IMHO, it is imperative to get the TT as level possible (exactly level is very much preferred).
Even an inexpensive adjustable Audio platform should be worthwhile.
I have also found out that it´s extremely important to get these 100% level. My first P8 was with the Ania cartridge, and i didn´t notice any level issues with that one. ( But everyone whose thinking about buying one, dont do it!. It´s probably the worst tracking cartridge ever produced by mankind ) When i got my current P8 with apheta 2, i had an issue that the whole stereo image was sailing all over the place. It was usually over to the left ( or right, cant remember) at the beginning of an LP and then started to move towards center towards the end of the record. But it felt like every record was different, some was bang in the middle all the time and some was a lot off center.. So i thought there´s something wrong with this TT because i have not expierenced this with any other TT. I almost gave up but decided to check everything one last time and i noticed it was leaning just enough that you could see it on the level i have. So i cut a piece of paper (thick, not newspaper) and placed it under one of the feet´s and the stereo image was centered again... so it´s very critical.
Wow, that carbon base is sick. Is the feet´s on that one coupled to the base or is there something in between? Unfortunately it´s out of my budget ( would gladly have one =) )
IsoAcoustics zaZen Isolation Platform
A new base from Iso acoustics, but no adjustable feet and it´s suspended.
The supplied footers for the Finite Elemente - Carbofibre SD Isolation Base are adjustable and replaceable by any of the more expensive Finite Elememte footers. I really like this base and glad that I stretched to get it.
Hi! I am new to these forums so please be patient with me! I don't have a Rega Torque Wrench so what size Torx screwdriver do I use for the Apheta 3?
Maybe Bill and others can chime in...
I have a P8/Apheta 2 and trying to decide whether to upgrade to the P10 or look into the Aura phono stage instead. What is a better upgrade? I’m thinking Aura would be a bigger upgrade but no idea, really.
Ideally, best scenario would be for a dealer or Sound Org to send a demo Aura to compare against my current phono stages. I haven’t contacted any dealers about whether this is possible.
I would think the Aura as well. I haven't heard it yet myself but have read very positive things. If I ever upgrade my main system (RP10/Apheta 2>Aria phono>Elicit-R) my first move will be the Aura.
A torque wrench and a torx bit are completely different things. Rega uses hex screws on the cartridge mounts, so you'll need an allen key set if you want to change cartridges. I don't have the exact size with me, but any full set should have one that fits well enough to work. If you don't want to change cartridges, then leave it alone.
I would think the Aura would be the biggest change, but the Planar 10 is a pretty big leap too. Most people get the turntable first. I don't think that's so much because they have heard both, but because an Aura citing is a pretty rare occurrence.
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