Rush - Hold Your Fire

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by thatguy1976, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. stodgers

    stodgers Forum Resident

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    +1 on that. For them to go out on that album to me was perfect. They finally did a full concept album, and thematically and musically hit the nail on the head. Agree on the dynamic range, but I can tolerate it compared to the original Vapor Trails.
     
  2. BSC

    BSC Forum Resident

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    I think most of their later albums suffer from something and as albums they don't really rate anywhere near their peak period. Listening recently though to a mixed loop of everything some tracks definetly sound better outside of the album experience. HYF as I stated on this thread hasn't aged that badly I bought the thing originally on import here in the UK on vinyl and it never sounded good at all. It's got a mood, is interesting but is lacking in power/dynamics and as such imo it's nowhere near the top ten never mind number one.
     
  3. twicks

    twicks Forum Resident

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    I'm by no means a hardcore fan but "Time Stand Still" is my favorite thing Rush ever did. The solo/instrumental section midsong in the weird time signature is so beautifully simple, yet still blows my mind every time. A perfect song.
     
  4. BSC

    BSC Forum Resident

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    I think it's a near miss of an album I think the last two studio albums needed a really strong producer to edit and quality control because that's what's lacking-there's enough raw materials and energy to suggest a truly great record was possible-for me it didn't happen maybe the song The Garden signifies it best-it sounds more moving due to Peart's death so the lyrics do have a strong resonance and are well crafted but the tune irritatingly fails to deliver. A good example of this style of direct writing with emotional impact and a musical delivery would be The Pass.
     
  5. ElevatorSkyMovie

    ElevatorSkyMovie Senior Member

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    If you are a fan of HYF and "A Show of Hands", do yourself a favor and find the ROIO "Birmingham '88 Remaster".

    It is compiled from the ASOH cd and laserdisc to make an almost complete set list.

    DISC 1
    Three Stooges Intro 0:52
    The Big Money 5:57
    Subdivisions 5:23
    Marathon 6:32
    Turn The Page 4:42
    Prime Mover 5:33
    Manhattan Project 5:10
    Closer To The Heart 4:32
    Red Sector A 5:11
    Force Ten 4:55
    Time Stand Still 5:11
    Distant Early Warning 5:15

    DISC 2
    Lock And Key 6:34
    Mission 5:41
    Territories 6:20
    YYZ 3:18
    The Rhythm Method 4:37
    The Spirit Of Radio 4:59
    Tom Sawyer 5:38
    2112: Overture/The Temples of Syrinx 5:33
    La Villa Strangiato 5:27
    In The Mood 3:11

    Of course, it is still not complete. "Limelight", the 30 second snippet of "Red Lenses", a significant portion of the recorded intros to "2112" and "Distant Early Warning",
    the clock sounds that precede "Time Stand Still", and 1 minute of "The Rhythm Method" are still missing, leaving this show about 10 minutes short.
    Nevertheless, this recording is now better than ever and is worth a new listen.
     
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  6. ytserush

    ytserush Forum Resident

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    I prefer the 4/2/88 Nebraska show although it's not professionally recorded.
     
  7. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    God vapor trails is a sonic mess.but I don’t think the remix is great either.lol
     
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  8. ironbutterfly

    ironbutterfly Listening to marky mark in mono


    THIS
     
  9. JediJoker

    JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast

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    As mastered, the remix is dynamically identical to the original release, and I don't prefer its production choices. Especially grating is the beater-forward, neutered kick drum. Totally unfitting of the music.
     
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  10. HotelYorba101

    HotelYorba101 Senior Member

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    Yes totally agree! The remix may have removed some of the most obvious muddiness the original mix had, however the original mix I felt better captured the feel of the rawness and emotions Neil wanted to express through this album. The remix feels at times too much like a ProTools fanmade mix
     
  11. HotelYorba101

    HotelYorba101 Senior Member

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    Thanks for the heads up! The "Hold Your Fire" era of Rush is probably the one period I haven't dug too too deep into and getting a feel for their full setlists for that era is something I want to check out
     
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  12. stodgers

    stodgers Forum Resident

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    I have the Van Dette remaster which is slightly more tolerable.
     
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  13. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    i have made up my mind vapor trails and test for echo are my least favorite Rush albums.if someone took my cds of them i would never even buy them back or be sad they are gone.
    counterparts is 3rd least favorite but can pick at least 2 or 3 songs i like.hold your fire to me is one of the best rush albums for me now.all the 70s and 80s albums by them i love.and i think roll the bones is great.after that the only ones i enjoy are snakes and arrows and clock work angels.
     
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  14. johnHS

    johnHS Forum Resident

    I love the version on A Show of Hands. I had bought Hold your Fire on vinyl when it came out and then bought ASOH on cd and played the heck out of it.
     
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  15. stodgers

    stodgers Forum Resident

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    I did not enjoy Vapor trails for many, many years. Recently, for some research I'm doing, I've listened to it multiple times in the span of a couple weeks. It is a better album than I gave it credit for, and some songs that never stood out to me are becomng favorites. I chalk it up to the fact that the original master was well-nigh unlistenable, and the album is too long by far.

    However, Test For Echo is far worse of an album than I remembered. Only 4-5 good songs on it (though the good ones are damn good). The rest is all pretty meh. I think seeing them on the tour made me remember this album being better.

    Snakes & Arrows is still my least favorite album of theirs. I can hardly make it through it.
     
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  16. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    to me everything after that album they sounded like a generic rock band.i do love clockwork angels as one of there best albums though.and like a lot of songs of snakes and arrows
     
  17. JAG

    JAG Forum Professor with Tenure

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    hmmm, off the top of my head I would like to know a generic rock band that does a song like Nobody's Hero
     
  18. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    yeah counterparts my 3rd least favorite rush album.that album just bores me to death besides a couple songs.the sound on it to me reminds me just a generic sound.
     
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  19. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    oh hell no!vapor Trails and Test for Echo are easily worse then Hold your Fire.
     
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  20. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    once i got use to the 80s sound its an amazing album.lock and key is simply a awesome song.in fact i love the whole album.
     
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  21. MechanicalAnimal6

    MechanicalAnimal6 Forum Resident

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    it's all opinion of course, but i would have to say "HECK NO" to that....those are both strong albums....Test For Echo thru Clockwork Angels is my 2nd favorite era of the band, after the debut thru Hemispheres.
     
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  22. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    Of course its all opinion,and mine is i love the debut through roll the bones.then i can skip counterparts,test for echo,vapor trails but love snakes and arrows and Clockwork Angels.Clockwork angels was such a perfect album to go out on.
     
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  23. Thoughtships

    Thoughtships Forum Resident

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    I don't "skip" those 3 you mention, but my appraisal of their discography pretty much matches yours.
     
  24. MechanicalAnimal6

    MechanicalAnimal6 Forum Resident

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    i would actually add Counterparts in with my 2nd favorite era of the band as well, lol

    glad you and i can agree on Clockwork Angels though for sure !!
     
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  25. Scott Sheagren

    Scott Sheagren I’m a Metal,Rock,Jazz Fusion,Gaga type of guy.

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    yeah i gave those 3 a lot of play time and just cannot get into them.if anything at least counterparts has a few songs i like.
     

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