Russian counterfeit CDs, a headache

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by javilu77, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Buenos Aires
    I've been filling some gaps in my collection slowly buying from discogs.
    Sometimes the CDs I want are OOO so there is not many people selling them.
    A CD I really want from the Australian Raven label is being sold by a guy in Latvia for a decent price (13 euro plus shipping).
    My question is, is there any way to identify if I am buying a russian counterfeit or the real Australian thing?
    If I buy it I have to send it to England for someone there to bring it to me in Argentina and I don't want to go through all that to end up with a fake.
    There are probably other people like me so hopefully this thread might help them as well.
    So.... should I buy from the Latvian seller?
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  2. StuJM84

    StuJM84 Forum Resident

    Kent, UK
    If your not certain, i would say to not purchase it.

    The seller is probably a decent guy selling an honest product but if you have any doubts then dont purchase it. You can check seller feedback and see what other people have said about them of course.
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  3. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Buenos Aires
    Thanks, I wonder if there is a list somewhere where you can see if a certain CD was counterfeited or not.

    EDIT: Seller has 100% positive feedback. He has a few neutrals but no one complains about counterfeits.
  4. Claus

    Claus Restaurant Critic

    I never order CDs from Russian Federation. Too many fakes.
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  5. Discogs lists counterfeit versions as well as far as I know, you just aren’t able to buy them anymore *though I suppose* it would not be difficult to pass off an unlisted counterfeit. I used to specifically buy certain Russian counterfeits just to get the disc in a jewel case.
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  6. delmonaco

    delmonaco Forum Resident

    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Exceptions always exists, but chances of getting a genuine very rare Australian CD from a Latvian seller are almost zero.
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  7. jay.dee

    jay.dee Forum Resident

    Barcelona, Spain
    Eastern Europe is rife with counterfeit CDs, but they're usually pretty easy to discern. Just check if the same rare item is up for sale at different sellers, often at an affordable price across various (Eastern) countries and second-hand platforms (discogs, eBay, cdandlp, musicstack, etc). If that is the case the chances it's a pirate edition are rather high.
  8. moops

    moops Forum Resident

    Geebung, Australia
    What Raven CD are you after ?
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  9. Rob Hughes

    Rob Hughes Forum Resident

    Yeah, this is a pain. I know for a fact that there are honest dealers in Russia and its neighbors, but the prevalence of pirate editions coming out of Russia has just poisoned that whole well for me. I don't ever order from Russia or the former Soviet Union (nor, alas, from internet dealers with East European addresses). That said, different buyers will feel differently about the issues on the table, so do as you wish. It's just a massive shame to me that a whole part of the world gets a black eye just because in one country property rights are so laxly enforced (even, one suspects, gleefully ignored in some kinds of instances).
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  10. katieinthecoconut

    katieinthecoconut Forum Resident

    United Kingdom
    Just going to be pedantic and point out that Latvia is, technically, in northern Europe. It's one of the Baltic states, along with Estonia and Lithuania. It does border Russia and was part of the Soviet Union, but the Baltic states have different cultures (sometimes with more in common with the Nordic states, for example Estonian and Finnish being closely related languages), and are members of the European Union.
  11. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    Same here. Whenever I see Russia as the location of a seller, I pass - might be real, but too likely that it isn't!
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  12. jay.dee

    jay.dee Forum Resident

    Barcelona, Spain
  13. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Buenos Aires
    There are 5 for sale on discogs.
    The one from Latvia, then Netherlands, Belgium and the USA.

    Stories 2fer.
  14. formu_la

    formu_la be es proof

    Toronto, Canada
    Latvia is not in Russian Federation.
  15. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City!

    Fonthill, Ontario
    At least it won’t be a CDR:cheers:
  16. formu_la

    formu_la be es proof

    Toronto, Canada
    I seriously doubt, someone would bother to fake not expensive Australian CD.
    I've bought fake from Argentina once, BTW.
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  17. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City!

    Fonthill, Ontario
    It’s surprising what they will fake:cheers:
  18. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Buenos Aires
    I wish there was a way of knowing if counterfeits were made of this cd.

    I like that, looking at the glass half full.
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  19. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

    Fakes are a big thing in the metal scene, especially with OOP expensive albums. One code phrase to watch out for on eBay is "recent European reissue". That usually means fake.
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  20. formu_la

    formu_la be es proof

    Toronto, Canada
    I can share my experience: I've purchased 5-6 CDs from Russia and one from Latvia. They all were good, real deal.
    Does it mean anything? No.
    I've bought fake SACD of Brian Ferry from Germany. Happened to be just a CD with SACD logo (and obviously fake inserts). The guy fully refunded to me though.
  21. Kevin j

    Kevin j The 5th 99

    Seattle Area
  22. NettleBed

    NettleBed Forum Resident

    new york city
    My experience is that you can run into the Russian fakes anywhere.

    One of my favorite record stores - Vintage Vinyl in New Jersey - is a place I used live only a few miles from and went to on a weekly basis. I bought a lot there over the years.

    When I put my collection into Discogs, I found that several (mostly non-US progressive rock) titles that I had purchased new from that store were, according to Discogs, "unofficial" fakes.

    Off the top of my head, I recall that these were titles by Amon Duul II, Agitation Free, Camel, Area, Jethro Tull, Ikarus, and maybe one or two others. It was not a lot, and certainly not a lot in comparison with how much I bought from there over the years, but it was nevertheless very annoying to discover that these (often) higher-priced items were fakes.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2019
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  23. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City!

    Fonthill, Ontario
    That’s true. I’m very happy with my Russian Nancy Sinatra CDs:edthumbs::cheers: They are providing a public service
  24. The Beave

    The Beave My Wife Is My Life!

    Feedback means nothing when you have stupid people out there.
    I was BLOWN away at the amount of people buying the Chinese counterfeit Beatles mono box and saying 'as long as the cd's play, I don't care'.
    Just incredible the apathy towards these things sometimes.
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  25. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

    As a russian I must say this whole thread is fake news and a witch hunt. Pirate CDs are VERY easy to tell apart from original and NOBODY here sells them as originals. There is a market for pirate CDs (people who want dirt cheap CDs) and and entirely different one for originals. NOBODY would risk their reputation as a seller selling $2 crap for $13. Raven CDs from what I remember always have big fat booklets with photos, essays etc, something pirates never care to duplicate. And please cut the crap regarding "different values" and remember that while Russia had it's share or pirate CDs, the vast majority of them were made in China and across EU.

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