Russian counterfeit CDs, a headache

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by javilu77, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. moops

    moops Senior Member

    Location:
    Geebung, Australia
    That's not a Raven CD that I see used at all over here, unfortunately.

    The Discogs seller from Latvia has ok feedback overall. He even responded to one of the neutral comments, which I wouldn't think someone selling counterfeit CDs would normally bother to do. Compared to the positive comments, he only has a handfull of neutral.

    I'd be willing to take a chance on it for the price .... :thumbsup:
     
  2. The Beave

    The Beave My Wife Is My Life! And don’t I forget it!

    In all fairness, some good points here! :shh:

    beave
     
  3. MrSka57

    MrSka57 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Syracuse, New York
    I'm told they use X-Ray plates.
     
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  4. kevimetal

    kevimetal Forum Resident

    Location:
    Exeter, UK
  5. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    Yep, that is the one!

    If I buy it now and send it to my friend in England, do you know how can I instruct him to check if the CD is the real deal? He is not into music or CDs.
     
  6. Old Zorki II

    Old Zorki II Storm Watcher

    Location:
    near Tampa, FL
    I second that. I had my share of pirate CDs, and difference in packaging and artwork is huge. It is not $1000 fake Rolex, it is $10 fake Rolex so to compare.
    I still go sometimes to Russia, and shops in Russia which sell fakes rarely sell real CDs, and vice versa, as their customers are 2 complete different groups.
     
  7. You can usually tell, but not always. This is a fake ‘Russian Bear’ who’s actually from Canada. :yikes:

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  8. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City south of Detroit

    Location:
    Fonthill, Ontario
    My fake Sundazed NSs look pretty good to me. Maybe they’re not fakes and he happened to have tons of real ones. :cheers:
     
  9. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City south of Detroit

    Location:
    Fonthill, Ontario
  10. Claude

    Claude Senior Member

    Location:
    Luxembourg
    There is also an "unofficial" Russian pressing listed on Discogs:

    Stories - Stories / About Us

    Given the price of the CD from the Latvian seller and the fact that it's a neighbor country to Russia, I think the chances are high that this is the one you will get. Better ask the seller first.
     
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  11. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    This post is why I love this site!
    WIll the seller know how to tell the real deal from the one in your link?
     
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  12. Old Zorki II

    Old Zorki II Storm Watcher

    Location:
    near Tampa, FL
    The bet way is to ask him to make a picture of CD matrix number/writing (those are rarely copied) and compare with real one..
     
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  13. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    I did just that. Once I knew this was bootlegged in Russia my hopes went down the drain.
     
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  14. bare trees

    bare trees Senior Member

    Years ago, I bought what I thought was the 1995 edition of Powerslave by Iron Maiden with a second cd containing the b-sides from that era. When it arrived, I noticed that it was a one cd release with the b-sides tacked on at the end. Then, I noticed that that there was some Russian writing on the bottom. Even though it featured the EMI logo, I suspected that this could be a pirate release. This thread has prompted me to check out this release on discogs. Sure enough, it is listed as "Unofficial".
     
  15. HiResGeek

    HiResGeek Seer of visions

    Location:
    Boston
    exactly. Any time I'm after something, regardless of where the seller is located, and especially when it comes to rare/expensive discs, I ask them to send me photos of the both the matrix and the playing surface. If they won't send a photo, I'll pass.
     
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  16. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    According to the discogs page, Barcode for the Australian release and the Russian counterfeit is the same: 612657024621.
     
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  17. HiResGeek

    HiResGeek Seer of visions

    Location:
    Boston
    Not talking about the barcode. I'm talking about the microscopic matrix number imprinted on the inner rings of CDs. This is a lot harder to fake than booklet reprints/CD faces.
     
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  18. I would like to apologise for the previous post from my friend Dimitri. The post should in no way be taken to mean that all Russian's sell their sisters and bootleg CDs. Most of them are honest hard working individuals who will not rob you blind. But the offer regarding Dimitri's sister still stands if you are interested.
     
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  19. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

    Location:
    Cambridge, MA
    I'm more surprised by the ones who figure out it's fake, demand a return, and --when the seller apologizes with some made up excuse--decide they won't leave negative feedback, allowing the scammer to continue to cheat people.
     
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  20. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    Gotcha, if I get a pic I will let you know.
     
  21. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

    Location:
    moscow
    Once again I'm yet to see any pirate CD with a full quality booklet duplicated and Raven as all reissue labels always have big rich booklets. Just ask the seller to send you pics of the booklet and you will know if it's real immediately.
     
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  22. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City south of Detroit

    Location:
    Fonthill, Ontario
    The Nancy Sinatra CDs have complete booklets. I’ve also got a Jackie DeShannon RPM knockoff that’s perfect. They are also doing lovely mini sleeve CDs
     
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  23. Claus

    Claus Senior Member

    Location:
    Germany
    I know... too many fakes east of Germany. :biglaugh:
     
  24. javilu77

    javilu77 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Buenos Aires

    As per the Discogs notes on the russian counterfeit:

    High-quality factory made CD, fullpages booklet,replica from original australian release. Standart jewel case.
     
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  25. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City south of Detroit

    Location:
    Fonthill, Ontario
    Sounds about right :cheers:
     

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