SAE MC Cartridges (NOS) On eBAY

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Ampexed, Oct 28, 2022.

  1. Rekkerds

    Rekkerds Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland
    My LT is on the way too, fingers crossed for no defects.

    I've been using AT moving magnet ML carts for years on my 1200 M3D. First time trying an MC (high output). What differences should I expect vs say a 540ML? I don't need to be concerned with input capacitance right? Or switch to MC settings on my phono pre-amp (Moon 110LP)?

    Hopefully it's a satisfying alternative to the ATs (which I really like). For the price I was tempted to get 2. Thanks for the heads up @Ampexed
     
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  2. bjlefebvre

    bjlefebvre Forum Resident

    Location:
    Washington DC-ish
    Yeah, purchased the LT. The next time I have a beer I might buy the EL, too.
    For those who already have them on the way, definitely let us know your first impressions.
     
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  3. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

    Location:
    USA
    Capacitance is not a concern because MC carts have very low inductance, even HOMCs. Tracking and tracing will not be as good as the AT mentioned above on the most challenging records. That is because the SAE has a stylus that is twice as fat as the AT, a stiffer suspension, and is only rated from the factory to have 70um tracking ability.
     
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  4. Rekkerds

    Rekkerds Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland
    Received the SAE 1000LT today, set it up on a headshell, quick alignment/balance and... I've got no audio in the left channel. Bah! Mounted it on a different headshell and got the same result, no connection on the left. Requested an exchange, hoping #2 works out. Right channel sounded promising.
     
  5. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

    Location:
    USA
    I don't know why the seller isn't testing these with a multimeter before shipping them out. It would have saved a lot of time. I asked if the suspensions had been tested with a test LP and the answer was no on that. Caveat Emptor on 42 year old NOS cartridges.
     
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  6. bjlefebvre

    bjlefebvre Forum Resident

    Location:
    Washington DC-ish
    * taking multimeter out of drawer, making sure batteries work *
     
  7. Pmds55889397

    Pmds55889397 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Yes
    Thats not good, refreshing those who dare and not a lot of money.
    I'd be surprised if these SAE perform as they should long term.
     
  8. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL USA
    So my LT showed up yesterday.
    I mounted it (might have to straighten one of the bolts as the nut probably has a corner against the body making it not so straight -but it's nice and tight), aligned it and then set all the parameters correctly (1.8g +/-.3g VTF) and I'm listening to it right now.

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    It's more than promising, it actually sounds pretty nice straight away.
    It has a very neutral yet dynamic sound, I already like it better than my 740ML this is by far the best $100 I've ever spent in hifi.
    It's quiet in the groove, using the 47k setting and 36db of gain it sounds damn near perfect.

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  9. Simoon

    Simoon Forum Resident

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I bought 2 of them (one LT one elliptical) back about 7 years ago, when they were around on Ebay for $199, and both performed flawlessly.

    I used the LT version for years (until my girlfriend's nephew broke the cantilever) without issues.
    The elliptical version I sold to a friend, who has been using it since. He likes it better than his previous Sumiko HOMC Blackbird.

    I contacted one of the well known cartridge re-tippers about a year ago about re-tipping my LT vedrsion, and his response to me was, "Great cartridge!". He told me the suspensions are not prone to aging, because of the synthetic material they are made of.

    I just received my new LT version earlier in the week, and mounted it up, and it too sounds great.
     
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  10. utahusker

    utahusker Nottadick

    Location:
    Southern, UT, USA
    How did I miss this! All that is left is the elliptical version. Oh well, I have enough cartridges
     
  11. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL USA
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  12. Pmds55889397

    Pmds55889397 Forum Resident

    Location:
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    Good to know, thanks
     
  13. utahusker

    utahusker Nottadick

    Location:
    Southern, UT, USA
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  14. Pmds55889397

    Pmds55889397 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Yes
    Is text:
    "SAE 1000LT Conical"
    a typo ?
    if its Conical it can't be LT ?
     
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  15. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL USA
    It's a line contact similar to what the Ortofon Bronze uses.
    I have no idea why they put the word conical in their description, if they had not done that they probably would have all been gone last week.
     
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  16. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL USA
    Mine was shipped Priority so not much waiting time...
    I would assume they are all being sent Priority.
     
  17. Simoon

    Simoon Forum Resident

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    The elliptical has an overall more warm sound, with a lush midrange.

    The LT version is more detailed and extended. Tracks a bit better, too.
     
  18. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

    Location:
    USA
    If anyone gets around to doing some testing with a test LP on these, checking the RF, etc. let me know.
     
  19. Ampexed

    Ampexed "Ampexed Tape Is Professional Tape" Thread Starter

    Location:
    Santa Fe, NM
    I have seen a frequency response and separation graph of the LT and it is flat to within 1.5dB or so to about 19kHz with the 1.5dB showing as a very broad depression through the high mid-range/low treble. The separation is at least 25dB through most of the range. The tracking and other parameters were normal for a MC. I don't have the graph or I'd post it. As I said before, I don't have mine any more but I wish I had kept it instead of buying the Benz Micro Glider. I have an Ortofon 2M Black LVB now.
     
  20. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

    Location:
    USA
    I've seen those factory specs. However, these are very old cartridges at this point. I'd like to see someone test a sample from this current batch.
     
  21. Ampexed

    Ampexed "Ampexed Tape Is Professional Tape" Thread Starter

    Location:
    Santa Fe, NM
    This was a sample from the current batch - the ones being sold now.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2022
  22. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL USA
    That sucks!
    Hang in there, the replacement should do the trick!
     
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  23. needlestein

    needlestein GrooveTickler

    Location:
    New England
    I finally got some time to hook one up. The testing results are, in a word, superlative and kind of surprising. This hasn’t even broken in and this one is basically showing zero crosstalk (over 40dB separation) and dead perfect 0dB channel balance. VTF is spec 1.8g.

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    Alignment is perfectly level
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    Output is excellent
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    I have not done a frequency response test but suffice to say that if it’s testing like this, there is nothing wrong with the suspension, diamond or coils. I would expect it to meet minimum FR response specs at least and, really, pass with flying colors.

    This is the best deal going on a new moving coil cartridge right now and not likely to be found again any time soon with so many to go around.

    No affiliation at all with the seller. Just sharing my findings. Definitely worth $99.99. Makes up and then some for all the times people have gotten burned in this hobby.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2022
  24. woodpigeon

    woodpigeon Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Zealand
    I really don’t need any more cartridges, but at this price it’s worth it just to have something to tinker with and maybe enjoy. Hoping the seller will post to NZ.
     
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  25. hammr7

    hammr7 Forum Resident

    From time to time I have looked (without success) for a NOS version of this cartridge in is Coral 777E application. My first MC cartridge back in 1982, it ruined me for a lot of lessor carts. Can't believe I stumbled across this sale.

    My original Coral was the LOMC version, and it played great until I wore it out. As already noted, solid but not overly flashy for most music. The cartridge really shined on female vocals and on detailed acoustic pieces.

    I'm looking forward to reliving my past!
     
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