Seeking recommendations for sanely-priced full-range speakers

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Benzion, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    LOL, lack of bass I already have...
     
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  2. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I have zero experience with open baffle speakers, so am reluctant to get into them without hearing, although their price point is conducive to experimentation...
     
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  3. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Their bass ends at 58 Hz - that's not even a joke. As I've mentioned - I will not use a sub-woofer, so need something that goes down to at least 40 Hz.
     
  4. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    It is an interesting website - but I don't think he in the business of selling any of it.
     
  5. gguy

    gguy Forum Resident

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    If you call and talk to Eric they will make anything you want, including older models. I’m sure they are in a** kissing mode with everything going on, maybe you can get a deal.
     
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  6. JMAC

    JMAC Forum Resident

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    No, just for your information. Look at the size of his enclosures. If you want one driver and you want bass, you are almost required to go large or get a sub. It’s physics.

    You could look for a Beauhorn maybe?
     
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  7. vinylkid58

    vinylkid58 Forum Resident

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    OB speakers really need some space, which you don't have.

    jeff
     
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  8. avanti1960

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  9. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    Not possible with the range you want, and the efficiency you need, and single-driver. And especially in the compact size you want. Klipsch Heresy is as small as you can get that is SET somewhat friendly. You can get smaller speakers, but they demand more power than SET can deliver. Compromise in some way is necessary until you and I can overcome the laws of physics. Your choice is larger amplifiers which aren't SET, larger speakers in larger enclosures with more than one driver, and bigger living quarters to use them.
     
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  10. Uglyversal

    Uglyversal Forum Resident

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    Is there such thing? I am sure some companies would like you to believe that. Some "specs" will tell you yes, but most ears would tell you, NOPE!
     
  11. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    Does not exist which goes that low. Reality.
     
  12. swvahokie

    swvahokie Forum Resident

    Yea, full range and single driver is almost impossible. Throw in sane pricing and its completely impossible. If I wanted to play with SET and had a speaker price range that low, think I would try to find some Klipsch Heresys
     
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  13. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Which tells me that the Zu Omen DWII's, despite their shortcomings, are an incredible value then.
     
  14. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Off topic: your avatar, is that the dog from "Around the World in 80 Days" - the Australian cartoon series they showed even in Soviet Russia when I was a kid?
     
  15. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Again, then the Zu Omen DW II's are an incredible value and a near-impossibility in itself - they have all the things I described, are affordable, fairly compact, and their only obvious shortcoming is - they don't sound so good with electric music. They shine with acoustic music/SET amp though. Perhaps my search is over - I'll just keep the Zu's for acoustic music only, paired with the SET, and be done with it, as was my original intention.
     
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  16. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Which is what? - What's going on?
     
  17. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thanks, that confirms my reluctance.
     
  18. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    For acoustic music, practical.
     
  19. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    I recommend Heresy or Heresy II for more than SET, or tubes. They're superb for the 50 watt/channel under, early low damped, simple circuitry SS crowd too. I eventually want a pair one day.
     
  20. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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  21. Uglyversal

    Uglyversal Forum Resident

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    Is it? I had no idea for me is just Mutley from The Wacky races which is a Hanna Barbera cartoon I used to watch a lot as a kid. He had a very contagious laughter.

     
  22. Benzion

    Benzion "Cogito, ergo sum" Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Guess I've got it confused, it's been about 35 years or more...
     
  23. Neil S. Cohen

    Neil S. Cohen You Enjoy Myself

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    They don’t sound bass shy in room, not by a long stretch. Good luck finding your grail.
     
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  24. Brother_Rael

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  25. Ezd

    Ezd Forum Resident

    Hoffman’s Iron Laws of Speaker Building
    1) Bass Extension
    2) Efficiency
    3) Small Enclosure

    The law is that you can only have two of these three attributes in speaker building. Ideally we would want all three, we want speakers with good bass, can play really loud, and are small. Unfortunately we cannot have all these. (you also want inexpensive, look great, non-horn, front ported only, preferably new).

    That is not as easy as one would hope.

    I went thru a similar process as you are doing when searching for efficient speakers to match with my first tube amp a 12 wpc, el-84, push/pull. As a lifetime owner of solid state gear I decided to listen to a low wattage tube amp in my own home and wanted decent speakers so I could do a reasonable comparison... After searching, I felt that most single driver speakers were over-priced. Few companies make their own drivers and some research will result in finding some full-range speakers retailing for $1500 contain a single driver that can be bought for $50. I was going to build my own speakers, but then had an opportunity to buy two pair of vintage Altecs (one horn, one 3-way) and two pair of vintage co-axial locally (I have a bigger room and like the detail that a horn speaker provides).

    I am not sure if your end goal is to just explore the sound of single driver speakers in the price range you mentioned or to find the speakers that provide the best sound (to your ears) for your 300b amp? If it is the latter, there may be options other then a single driver. If it is the former, it may be hard to improve on the Zu's you already own at that price.

    If you are willing to try something vintage, you may also want to consider a co-axial speaker like an Altec 604/605 (more then your budget), or something similar but less expensive from Jensen, University, Electro-Voice, etc... I prefer the sound of these over a smaller single driver.

    You may very well find that the two separate systems approach you currently have is what works best for you...

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