Sinatra / Capitol Sound Quality: "A Swingin' Affair" - 1957

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by MLutthans, Jan 1, 2010.

  1. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    Why the hell would they alter the image in that way?!
     
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  2. sandmountainslim1

    sandmountainslim1 Vicar Of Fonz

    Local record guy told me he had a Sinatra I might like and it turned out to be Swingin Affair which I had been hoping to find on vinyl. I checked it out and was disappointed it wasn't the grey label which I had heard was best and which my Swingin Lovers LP is but rather a Rainbow Label with the logo on the left side at nine o clock.
    I brought it home expecting reverbed garbage.....only to find a VERY clean sounding mono. I can honestly say this particular pressing was GREAT. I can't see the grey being that much better.
     
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  3. sami

    sami Mono Rules

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    The 9 0'clock logo label is the next best thing generally speaking to the grey label Capitol Sinatras, but it quite possibly might have as much to do with the stampers. Maybe one of the Sinatra scholars can shed some light.
     
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  4. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    There's two versions of the 9 o clock label. The first came out in 1958 (late 58 I think) and had the words "Long playing" and "High Fidelity" written vertically to the left of the spindle hole. The second came out in 1960 (early 60 I think) and the words were replaced with two vertical lines.

    The '58 9 o clock versions that I compared to grey labels had similar matrix details, can't recall exact details as it was a while ago. "Swingin's Affair" was released in 1957 (mid/late?) so they were probably using the same stampers (or whatever the technical terms is :) ) a year later.

    I think it wasn't until they started using the 12 o clock label (early 62 I think) that they used different tapes.

    Weird timing for this thread. I spent the weekend going through all 6 copies I had of this lp (grey labels US & Canada) to pick out the best one. It's such a great album. Even though I went through 6 versions of this lp, I didn't get tired of it at all.

    BTW, for any Canadians out there, the Canadian version uses US stampers as well and the pressings are of a high quality.
     
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  5. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    That comes from "good" tapes, as you heard...either the master or a copy of that is "correct". Some will sound better than others. Enjoy!
     
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  6. aza14782

    aza14782 Well-Known Member

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    I recently picked up a near mint copy of this album, a gray label. I put it on and I loved the way it sounded. Some tracks better than others, but overall a very nice sounding record.
    Flipped to side two though, and that's another story. It had none of the top end sparkle and presence the first side did, it sounded almost muddy. I think maybe one or two tracks sounded good.
    After looking, side 1 is a D6 and side 2 is a D4. Is it possible that there's that much of a difference between the two? Or did this guy just really love side two and wear the grooves a lot more than the first.
     
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  7. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Yes, it's quite possible. I've sometimes found a good deal of variability in the sound of various cuts of this album. The D16 and D15 side twos are the best vintage masterings I've heard.
     
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  8. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

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    Re: Songs for Swingin' Lovers, mixed by John Palladino:
    Re: A Swingin' Affair, not mixed by John Palladino:
    Two very different recordings, both excellent in their own way (although I prefer the former). I posted some of the "mixing moves" that "drive me batty" in another thread, and thought it should be noted here. Link: Sinatra's Capitol mixer John Palladino: "Have Mike, Will Record" -UPDATE: John has passed away* ».
     
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  9. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

    An opportunity missed: TODAY is the 60th Anniversary of the album's release, May 6, 1957.
     
  10. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    Thank you, Bob. At least we can play the SACD in celebration.
     
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  11. DmitriKaramazov

    DmitriKaramazov Forum Resident

    I'm 2 days late, but I'm going to have A Swingin' Affair blasting from my car stereo on the way to choir practice tonight. We're rehearsing the choral parts to Ralph Vaughan Williams' Sea Symphony -- Mr. S. would be pleased.
     
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  12. aza14782

    aza14782 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone know if we'll get A Swingin Affair UMe reissue? They've done a lot but we're still missing a lot of key albums (A Swingin Affair, Where Are You, Only The Lonely, No One Cares, Nice n Easy, etc…). Not all of them have turned out to be sonic wonders but a lot have been very good.
     
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  13. DmitriKaramazov

    DmitriKaramazov Forum Resident

    NIGHT AND DAY

    This is one of the most amazing opening tunes by anyone, in this world , in any world, in this galaxy EVER!

    :winkgrin:
     
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  14. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    But it was initially slotted in as the closing track!
     
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  15. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    Just counting down the days for the UMe LP of Swingin' Affair! to be released. If it is as good as the UMe of SFWL, once it is in my possession and upon hearing it on my sound system, I can die a happy man.
     
  16. CBackley

    CBackley Chairman of the Bored

    I've ordered both the UMe vinyl and the MFSL hybrid SACD. It's exciting to have so much of this stuff be either new or recent reissues at the time that I'm really getting into Sinatra's music. Sometimes I feel like Scrooge McDuck swimming through his pool of coins.
     
  17. teag

    teag Forum Resident

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    Amazon says June 16. Wonder if that's accurate?
     
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  18. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

    Not just Amazon. The date should be accurate.
     
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  19. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    @Bob F any pre-order ideas yet?
     
  20. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

    I always pre-order as soon as possible from Amazon, in order to take advantage of any shortlived price drops. If anything better comes along, I cancel a few days before release. Check with me in 1½ weeks. ;)
     
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  21. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

    Nothing stands out, Paul. As usual, importCDs has a good price, and (with a TAKE10 discount code to offset shipping) will probably save a buck or two over Amazon Prime. I would choose Amazon for release day delivery this Friday.
     
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  22. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    Thanks as always, Bob.
     
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  23. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

    Out today from UMe. Barnes & Noble is calling this vinyl reissue a "60th Anniversary Audiophile Edition." Who will be first to report?
     
  24. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    I shall pick up mine Sunday morning at Amoeba Hollywood.
     
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  25. bferr1

    bferr1 Forum Resident

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    Bob, the only store in our area that has it is the Prudential Center. Race ya!
     
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