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Sinatra's "Popping P's": Why aren't they corrected or softened?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by wave, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. John DeAngelis

    John DeAngelis Senior Member

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    I thought maybe both daughters were popping their P's. :)
     
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  2. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Continuing with the strand of thought that started at post #145, another shot showing an RCA 44 (in the background, not foreground) with singers on both sides of the mic, from a Margaret Whiting session at Melrose:
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  3. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    (Pics borrowed from earlier in the thread, in discussion about the AKG D24)
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    Macca using the same mic, below?
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  4. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Indeed. I've seen that on various '60s TV shows.
     
  5. rockledge

    rockledge Forum Resident

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    I use to do a trick to them in digital audio tape to get rid of them on just the vocal track.
    I would do a punch in and out that were fractions of a second that would chop the very beginning of the "P" off.
    It was an invisible fix always. Worked like a charm. I imagine the same thing could be done on most DAWs.
     
  6. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Is the consensus that these 1962 sessions used a Sennheiser MKH-405, with a Schoeps W20 (or similar, maybe a different brand) windscreen? I think that's a distinct possibility. I have read dates ranging from 1962 to 1964 for the release of the MKH-405, so it may fit, timeline-wise.
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    ???
     
  7. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    The mic screen in those Sinatra/Basie pictures looks different to me...like it has a golf ball pattern on it.
     
  8. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Slightly higher quality:

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    Unfortunately nothing is jumping out at me as far as details go. I don’t think that’s a Sennheiser stand mount though.

    Also unfortunately most of the Sinatra/Basie photos seem to be of the Sands. I don’t need 200 photos to know that’s a Shure 546.

    I know someone who knows a lot about Schoeps. I’ll see if he recognizes it.
     
  9. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Did Altec make a windscreen like that?
     
  10. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Did Altec make a mic that a windscreen like that would go on?
     
  11. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Eventually, but I'm not sure about '62.
     
  12. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Zoom in on the bottom of that mic, and on the clip. I think may be an AKG C60 mic.
    akg-c60-microphones-norelco-ac701k_1_0d9911ddb44721018bfcf1a11e357ec0.jpg c60_166787.jpg
     
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  13. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    (Might "562" in lower right fine print mean that the brochure was printed in May of 1962??)
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  14. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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  15. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Yes, that was my reference regarding the bottom of the microphone, and I should have clarified that better. I'm pretty sure that we have the answer. :thumbsup:
     
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  16. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    There's video and audio of Tony Bennett using that same mike without the windscreen circa 1972. Needless to say, it's NOT pretty!
     
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  17. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Same mic here.
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  18. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Was that in a studio session, or in a live performance? The popping would be a BIG problem in either case, and handling noise would be a problem for live concert use off the stand.
     
  19. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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  20. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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  21. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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  22. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Not sure, but I think the designs changed over time. Some C60s have that design near the bottom of the mic but others have a different design higher up.
     
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  23. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Same cardioid capsule either way, correct?
     
  24. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    I believe so, yes.
     
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  25. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    Live at Royal Albert Hall immediately comes to mind. He did a short-lived TV series in London around the same time using the same mike in the same manner. Not his best move. IIRC, Tony rarely used a "mike in a stand".
     
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