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Sinatra's "Popping P's": Why aren't they corrected or softened?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by wave, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. John DeAngelis

    John DeAngelis Senior Member

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    I thought maybe both daughters were popping their P's. :)
     
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  2. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Continuing with the strand of thought that started at post #145, another shot showing an RCA 44 (in the background, not foreground) with singers on both sides of the mic, from a Margaret Whiting session at Melrose:
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  3. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    (Pics borrowed from earlier in the thread, in discussion about the AKG D24)
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    Macca using the same mic, below?
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  4. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Indeed. I've seen that on various '60s TV shows.
     
  5. rockledge

    rockledge Forum Resident

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    I use to do a trick to them in digital audio tape to get rid of them on just the vocal track.
    I would do a punch in and out that were fractions of a second that would chop the very beginning of the "P" off.
    It was an invisible fix always. Worked like a charm. I imagine the same thing could be done on most DAWs.
     
  6. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Is the consensus that these 1962 sessions used a Sennheiser MKH-405, with a Schoeps W20 (or similar, maybe a different brand) windscreen? I think that's a distinct possibility. I have read dates ranging from 1962 to 1964 for the release of the MKH-405, so it may fit, timeline-wise.
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    ???
     
  7. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    The mic screen in those Sinatra/Basie pictures looks different to me...like it has a golf ball pattern on it.
     
  8. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    Slightly higher quality:

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    Unfortunately nothing is jumping out at me as far as details go. I don’t think that’s a Sennheiser stand mount though.

    Also unfortunately most of the Sinatra/Basie photos seem to be of the Sands. I don’t need 200 photos to know that’s a Shure 546.

    I know someone who knows a lot about Schoeps. I’ll see if he recognizes it.
     
  9. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Did Altec make a windscreen like that?
     
  10. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    Did Altec make a mic that a windscreen like that would go on?
     
  11. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Eventually, but I'm not sure about '62.
     
  12. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Zoom in on the bottom of that mic, and on the clip. I think may be an AKG C60 mic.
    akg-c60-microphones-norelco-ac701k_1_0d9911ddb44721018bfcf1a11e357ec0.jpg c60_166787.jpg
     
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  13. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Screenshot_20210320-025949~3.jpg
    (Might "562" in lower right fine print mean that the brochure was printed in May of 1962??)
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  14. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
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  15. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Yes, that was my reference regarding the bottom of the microphone, and I should have clarified that better. I'm pretty sure that we have the answer. :thumbsup:
     
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  16. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    There's video and audio of Tony Bennett using that same mike without the windscreen circa 1972. Needless to say, it's NOT pretty!
     
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  17. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Same mic here.
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  18. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Was that in a studio session, or in a live performance? The popping would be a BIG problem in either case, and handling noise would be a problem for live concert use off the stand.
     
  19. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
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  20. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

  22. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    Not sure, but I think the designs changed over time. Some C60s have that design near the bottom of the mic but others have a different design higher up.
     
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  23. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Same cardioid capsule either way, correct?
     
  24. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    I believe so, yes.
     
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  25. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    Live at Royal Albert Hall immediately comes to mind. He did a short-lived TV series in London around the same time using the same mike in the same manner. Not his best move. IIRC, Tony rarely used a "mike in a stand".
     
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