Something I Never Understood in 'The Great Escape'

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  1. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    In large part, the film is one of many that glorified WWII. They downplayed the violence and played up the romance and adventure. Though ultimately unrealistic, there’s something to be said for a film (or film sub-genre) that draws you into it and makes you want to be a part of it. As good a movie as it is, I never felt like I wanted to be a part of the Saving Private Ryan story. They don’t make them like The Great Escape anymore, and I don’t think they can.

    Did they ever make a truly realistic German POW camp film?
     
  2. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA!

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    I never associated The Great Escape with romance and adventure.
     
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  3. I imagine there was some "romance" going on that they didn't portray in the film.
     
  4. They did, because Steve McQueen was a big movie star and he got that kind of treatment.
     
  5. That Criterion Blu-ray looks great, but now there's a 4K version that probably bests it.
     
  6. Myke

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  7. razerx

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    Let’s stick to digging tunnels. :)
     
  8. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA!

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    Isn't that what he meant?
     
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  9. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    I was talking about certain (older) types of WWII films generally. But as far as adventure goes - there isn't romance in The Great Escape like many other WWII movies - I certainly did (as a 4th-5th grader watching it for the first time) and still do.
     
  10. Doc Sarvis

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    The other factor with "The Great Escape" is that the screenplay was written by James Clavell (Shogun, King Rat, Tai-Pan, etc.). Clavell was famous for "stream of consciousness"-esque writing; e.g., random events come out of left field and the characters react. I don't know if there's any relevance of this to the thread at hand, except that maybe the less-explicable plot points were just random. Clavell admitted that he never used a treatment to begin with...he just sat down to write and went where the story took him. He might have had more discipline with a Hollywood screenplay, though.
     
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  11. MikeMusic

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    I read the book a while before I saw the film, on TV I assume as I was too young to go to the cinema on my own
    Realised at my young age that a few liberties taken with the facts
     
  12. ssmith3046

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  13. CusBlues

    CusBlues Fort Wayne’s Favorite Retired Son

    And well fed.
     
  14. Sterling Cooper

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    The original book by Paul Brickhill is excellent. It includes many additional details not found in the movie. Interestingly, the tunnel "Tom" was discovered in real life, but it didn't use an entrance under the stove as depicted in the movie. The stove was actually used for the succesful tunnel "Harry". The floor grate entrance shown in the movie for "Harry" was similar to the one used for the abandoned tunnel "Dick". Not sure why the movie switched them around, but it was a good dramatic scene when the guard spilled coffee by the stove and found a tunnel entrance.
     
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  15. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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  16. Rocker

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    Agreed... it's so bad that I wouldn't even want to make the upgrade. What was Criterion thinking when they greenlit that cover?
     
  17. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    We all see things differently, I suppose. I see it, not in the "Definition #1" sense, but certainly in the "Definition #2" sense, below.
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  18. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    Yes. That was the way I meant it. I suspect it would have been more clear for me to use "romanticize" to describe many of the WWII movies from that era. From the on-line Britannica Dictionary:

    " . . . to think about or describe something as being better or more attractive or interesting than it really is : to show, describe, or think about something in a romantic way

    [+ object]
    • The movie romanticizes [=idealizes] the old South.
    • He has romanticized notions of army life.
    • a romanticized view of politics
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    • We were romanticizing about the past."
     
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  19. conjotter

    conjotter Forum Resident

    James Clavell’s King Rat is a harrowing story about allied prisoners in a Japanese POW camp.

    It was made into an excellent movie that is well worth watching.

    Clavell was a young British officer who was wounded and captured by the Japanese after the fall of Singapore and his experiences give the book and movie a gritty realism.
     
  20. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    Talk about well-groomed! The cast of The Great Escape has nothing on George Segal.

    [​IMG]
     
  21. Dude111

    Dude111 An Awesome Dude

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    Its sad Steve ended up going back after all that!! (Ya think he would hide and move about at night)
     
  22. adm62

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    Huge amount of "bromance" in the film :)
     
  23. Wildest cat from montana

    Wildest cat from montana Humble Reader Thread Starter

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    The movie had to end with McQueen back in the cooler with his ball and glove. It brings the story full circle.
     
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  24. conjotter

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  25. Andrew J

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    What about that Steve McQueen goes into the cooler for days, only to come out looking exactly the same, clothes and all?

    Or, how long would they actually have to spend raking in the dirt that comes from the tunnels via their trousers?
     

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