Songs Beginning with a Half-Diminshed 7th Chord on the Flatted 5th

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  1. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    Henry Mancini's "Two for the Road" is the only pop song I can think of which uses this device. Can you think of any others?
     
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  2. willy

    willy hooga hagga hooga

    Haven’t we done this thread dozens of times before??


    :winkgrin: Sorry, just kidding... I’ve always wanted to say that...
     
  3. pbuzby

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    "A Hard Day's Night"? Nah, I guess that's some other weird chord.
     
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  4. FloydMaui

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    why no example ?
     
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  5. You lost me at "half-diminished".
     
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  6. Billchi_11

    Billchi_11 What would DBoon do?

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    I'm half-diminished lol
     
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  7. unclefred

    unclefred Coastie with the Moastie

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    Are you a half diminished or a half augmented type person?
     
  8. jwb1231970

    jwb1231970 Forum Resident

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    You just want to show off:p
     
  9. ralphb

    ralphb "First they came for..."

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    "Sheena Is A Punk Rocker"?
     
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  10. Sordel

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    Not sure what “half-diminished chord on the flattened fifth” means ... the seventh chord in a major key is always half-diminished and “half-diminished” implies flattened fifth. Do you mean a specific inversion that begins with the fifth in the bass?
     
  11. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    Here it is: The song proper starts at the 10-second mark; what proceeds it is an introduction.

    What is interesting about this song is that it starts in one key - in this arrangement, F - but ends up in C. So, you could interpret the first chord as either a half-diminished on the flatted fifth, or a half-diminished on the seventh. As I think about it, the latter is probably more accurate.

     
  12. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    No, I mean a half-diminshed on the flatted fifth note of the key in question, which in this instance should be a B half-dimished in the key of F. I can't think of any other pop song that begins with this chord on this degree of the scale.
     
  13. jon9091

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    This should be a poll.
     
  14. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    Give me a break.
     
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  15. Veni Vidi Vici

    Veni Vidi Vici Forum Resident

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    And this is why McLaren pretended the Pistols couldn’t play.
     
  16. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    I'm not asking whether anyone likes it. I'm asking if there are other examples. I'm sure there must be, but I can't think of any famous songs that use this device other than this one. :righton:
     
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  17. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the conversation. Can you think of another example? :righton:
     
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  18. Veni Vidi Vici

    Veni Vidi Vici Forum Resident

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    How about threads ending on a bum note?
     
  19. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    Now that I think about it, a lot of jazz musicians start "Stella by Starlight" with this chord, but it is not how Victor Young wrote it, so I'm not sure it counts.
     
  20. Sordel

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    Half-diminished on the fifth scale degree would imply Phrygian mode but I think that for that fifth itself to be flattened makes the while thing more esoteric. You might find it in Jazz.
     
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  21. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    See my previous post re: "Stella."
     
  22. George Blair

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    Some songs begin with a half-diminished guitarist who ends up flat on his back at the end. Does that count?
     
  23. ralphb

    ralphb "First they came for..."

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    That depends. What key are they in?
     
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  24. ShockControl

    ShockControl Bon Vivant and Raconteur! Thread Starter

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    Just realized that Mancini uses this device in "Sally's Tomato!"

     
  25. George Blair

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    Not sure, but they would often sleep with a flat minor.
     

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