Songs That Seemingly Have No Precedent

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by stanleynohj, May 13, 2022.

  1. paperhat

    paperhat Scatterbrained musician

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    For a mainstream option, "Helter Skelter" is an easy pick. No wonder someone like Manson heard it and killed those poor folks.
     
  2. GaryHabermas

    GaryHabermas Black metal will always be my first love

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    Captain Beefheart - Doctor Dark



    It dwells in Trout Maskism, but it makes a proper song out of it, for God's sake.

    An album of this would be the future, and conclusion, of rock.

    Edit: you added most famous in your post-headline.

    Maybe not this example, then.

    But you get my point.
     
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  3. blackdograilroad

    blackdograilroad Forum Resident

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    Bohemian Rhapsody.

    “A single? Are you out of your mind? It’s six minutes! And it’s got a bloody opera in the middle! Who’s going to dance to this? Don’t be ridiculous……”
     
  4. paperhat

    paperhat Scatterbrained musician

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    Not saying Bohemian wasn't new territory by going full fledged opera, but weren't Tommy, Quadrophenia, and especially Sparks' "This Town Ain't Big Enough for the Both of Us" (1974) all pretty strong precedents? I mean, by 1975 there was a lot of prog and glam mixing classical and operatic elements already so it was the logical conclusion of that environment.

     
  5. stever

    stever Senior Member

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    I just can’t get over this, I keep playing it. Del Shannon, Runaway, a 1987 appearance on Letterman.

    It’s so hot, so cool. Dave’s intro, Del’s intro, Del’s smile to Paul to let it rip.

     
  6. Jet Age Eric

    Jet Age Eric Forum Resident

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    I was thinking "Only Shallow" ...

    ... and "My Generation," "Baba O'Riley," and "Tomorrow Never Knows." -E
     
  7. brimuchmuze

    brimuchmuze Forum Resident

    Stravinsky - The Rites of Spring
     
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  8. Jet Age Eric

    Jet Age Eric Forum Resident

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    I thought the Fly was a HUGE rip off of both The Stone Roses and Creation Records (at that time) in general. It took me a while to embrace that record but it seemed like such an obvious lift. -E
     
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  9. JoeF.

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    One the coolest songs ever
     
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  10. Jet Age Eric

    Jet Age Eric Forum Resident

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    I think if the music of "My Gen" itself doesn't do it (and I can see why) then the coda and the lyrical content surely does. -E
     
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  11. SPF2001

    SPF2001 a must to avoid

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    "Deep Purple"- Nino Tempo and April Stevens
     
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  12. Northwindblewsouth

    Northwindblewsouth Throws Right, Bats Left

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    “Eve of Destruction” written by P.F. Sloan and the only big hit by Barry McGuire.
     
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  13. jimmydean

    jimmydean Senior Member

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    pixies - gigantic

     
  14. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

  15. Steve Carras

    Steve Carras Golden Retriever

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    Almost every classic rock song from the 60s..!!
     
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  16. carrolls

    carrolls Forum Resident

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    Gavin Bryars and Tom Waits (Certainly Waits weirdest song)

     
  17. Steve Carras

    Steve Carras Golden Retriever

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    Can't Take My Eyes off of You
    Bohemian Rhapsody

    with the time sig changes
     
  18. carrolls

    carrolls Forum Resident

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    What are you talking about? They sound nothing like each other.
    Huge rip off yeah right.
    If it is the funky drum sound you are talking about, it wasn't invented by the Stone Roses. The Roses pulled that riff off mid 70's soul records.
     
  19. InStepWithTheStars

    InStepWithTheStars It's a miracle, let it alter you

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    "Moonlight Mile" by the Rolling Stones. The closest parallel I can think of is Van Morrison, but the majority of his celebrated "epics" came after "Moonlight Mile", suggesting that song influenced him more than the other way around. Astral Weeks definitely could have been an influence, but those songs are a lot more liquid and cerebral than "Moonlight Mile". Perhaps there's a folk troubador who opened for the Stones in Oregon in 1968 I'm unaware of, but I always look at "Moonlight Mile" as a band so in tune with their talents that they can transcend genre and style and invent something completely their own.
     
  20. Sex Lies And Master Tapes

    Sex Lies And Master Tapes Gaulois réfractaire

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    Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax

     
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  21. Jet Age Eric

    Jet Age Eric Forum Resident

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    I wasn't saying The Roses were unprecedented, I was just saying that the precedent for "The Fly" was immediately apparent, so much so that, at the time, I thought it was a huge rip off. I've come to love Achtung Baby, and like "The Fly." -E
     
  22. carrolls

    carrolls Forum Resident

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    Which Stone Roses song in particular? I have their first two albums and no songs sound remotely like The Fly to me anyway.
     
  23. Ryan Lux

    Ryan Lux Senior Member

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    Not to rain on the parade, but many of these examples are just slight twists on something that came before. Still brilliant but unprecedented?
     
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  24. chrisblower

    chrisblower Norfolk n'good

    Private Investigations - Dire Straits.
     
  25. CDlover

    CDlover Senior Member

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    Faust - Krautrock
    The Pop Group - We Are All Prostitutes
    Joy Division - Atmosphere
     
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