Songs That Seemingly Have No Precedent

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by stanleynohj, May 13, 2022.

  1. If I Can Dream_23

    If I Can Dream_23 Forum Resident

    United States
    "Feels Like The First Time": Foreigner.

    The title even says so. :D
  2. If I Can Dream_23

    If I Can Dream_23 Forum Resident

    United States
    You are correct, although Brian Wilson too should be added to Lennon/McCartney/Harrison....when it comes to "Top 40 Pop Groups" bringing those things to the mainstream in a way that was now suddenly "okay" for "mere" pop groups to do. See "Good Vibrations" for a famous and pivotal example (again, at least in terms of pop).
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  3. Outside India or Pakistan, at least.
  4. JSUB

    JSUB Forum Resident

    Louisville, KY
    Since a lot of these seem to be production related, I'd throw in Cher's "Believe" with it first exaggerated use of Auto-Tune
  5. JoeF.

    JoeF. Forum Resident

    New Jersey, USA
    Influences, certainly . And “ Telstar”
    as well. But nothing Spector ever produced was as powerful and intense as “ Born to Run”
    And there were no female voices in sight.
  6. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    I guess this depends on how literally we interpret the thread's concept.

    Obviously "BTR" the song comes with a clear "Wall of Sound" influence, but I don't think there are any "WoS" songs that sound like it.

    Every song shows some influence. In the spirit of the thread, some have less influence than others, but nothing just appears out of nowhere without some nugget of precedent...
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  7. Artdob

    Artdob Forum Resident

    Simi Valley
    Queen: We will rock you
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  8. JoeF.

    JoeF. Forum Resident

    New Jersey, USA
    I don’t think there’s any one song that is not influence by something that came before. Even Autobahn or I Feel Love — or Blitzkreig Bop, for than matter—we’re influenced by something.

    But is the finished product fresh, new and exciting and unlike anything else in the air?

    I think the three examples above— and Born to Run fit that criteria.

    B2R is clearly influenced by Spector, but no Spector production I can think of was ever driver by such a powerful guitar riff.
  9. Purple Haze

    Bela Fleck & The Flecktones - The Sinister Minister
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  10. bRETT

    bRETT Senior Member

    Boston MA

    You can name dozens of records that "Born to Run" kinda sounds like. "BTR" is arugably better than 95 percent of those records, but that doesn't mean there was no precedent for it.
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  11. George Blair

    George Blair Senior Member

    Portland, OR
    This song always makes me wonder: How would you know what the first time feels like, if it's the first time?? Kind of messes with my head. :sigh:
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  12. If I Can Dream_23

    If I Can Dream_23 Forum Resident

    United States

    Now I might be up all night trying to figure that out...:laugh:
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  13. JoeF.

    JoeF. Forum Resident

    New Jersey, USA
    Kind of like Madonna feeling “ like” a virgin…
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  14. idleracer

    idleracer Forum Resident

    :kilroy: It's a bit of a hybrid. I've always thought it sort of sounded like Neil Diamond's BROTHER LOVE'S TRAVELIN' SALVATION SHOW had it been produced in the same manner as Dusty Springfield's STAY AWHILE.

    There's also an argument to be made that it sounds a little like Wizzard's "Angel Fingers" from a couple of years earlier:

  15. The_Windmill

    The_Windmill Forum Resident

    Of course se was not, as the overmentioned Revolution. N. 9 was a take on musique concrete.
    Se was well familiar with - part of - the Fluxus movement and well attuned to contemporary and conceptual art.

    The point is: everybody is influenced by somebody or something, whether is it openly or covertly.

    But I think the point of the OP was to find originality inside of a specific delimited genre, that came to influence hugely what happened next.
    If we don't keep this in mind, well nobody is truly original.
  16. SPF2001

    SPF2001 grammatically challenged

    St. Petersburg,Fl.
    "Smashed!Blocked!" - John's Children.
    All I know is,when I first heard this unique sound coming out of my radio, I had to go out and get the 45.
  17. JoeF.

    JoeF. Forum Resident

    New Jersey, USA
    I don’t hear the similarity, but then again , I always thought — but no one ever knows. what I’m talking about — that Born to Run’s opening riff is distantly related to Take It Easy , by The Eagles
    Hearing Bruce’s acoustic version made me realize that.
  18. Zach Johnson

    Zach Johnson Forum Resident

    Toronto, Ontario
  19. JoeF.

    JoeF. Forum Resident

    New Jersey, USA
    Cat Stevens, “ Was Dog a Donut?”
  20. Ma Kelly

    Ma Kelly Forum Resident

    Folk maybe, but I'd say an album reaching no. 5 in the charts is still pop.
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  21. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

    What, does musical theatre not count or something?

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  22. Uncle Ernie

    Uncle Ernie Forum Resident

    That one has a strong Sunflower-era Beach Boys vibe to it. In fact, I'd call it a direct descendant of Cool, Cool Water (with about 10 cubic centimeters of All I Wanna Do thrown in the mix).

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  23. Terry

    Terry Senior Member

    Tomorrow Never Knows
    I Feel Fine
  24. bRETT

    bRETT Senior Member

    Boston MA

    I Feel Fine has a precedent-- The drum part is pretty much "What'd I Say".
  25. knob twirler

    knob twirler Forum Resident

    Cleveland, Ohio
    Soho - Hippy Chick is awfully similar musically
    (I keed, I keed)

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