„Star Trek“ original series appreciation thread!

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Sgt. Abbey Road, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. Iamnotthewalrus

    Iamnotthewalrus Forum Resident

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    The pot planet Western Southern Californian episode is on now. Growing up here you notice that all the alien planets look like home.

    "I've never understood the female capacity to avoid any answer with a question." That's the same with the Gallegos. (Spaniards will get that)
     
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  2. Scopitone

    Scopitone Caught the last train for the coast

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    So, "You Can Call Me Bill", the new documentary.

    Sigh. It was pretty dull. It's just Bill sitting in a chair and rambling, interspersed with clips from his TV and movies. Sometimes he says things worth hearing. A lot of times, he tries to be profound and just comes across as silly. The clips are all great, of course. And the man himself is amazing given his age.

    Unless it's important to you to go support the project, I don't recommend going to the cinema for it.

    I was the only person in the theater, at 2pm on a Friday.
     
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  3. Iamnotthewalrus

    Iamnotthewalrus Forum Resident

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    I like his acting before his ego grew. He was very good in Star Trek and other things I've seen him in. I enjoy watching his acting from that period. Later, he became lazy. I didn't have any interest in seeing that film. Still, there's worse things to do than sit in a movie theater for a couple of hours. By the way, I know that it is based on an encounter Paul Simon had with Pierre Boulez but I saw a Mannix episode. "I'll be your body guard. You can call me Al". I also saw a Lone Ranger episode in which a character said, "I'm tired of working for Maggie. I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more." Just coincidence, I guess.
     
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  4. Iamnotthewalrus

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    Spock stoned is funny. "Report at once." "No, I don't think so." "You don't think so what?" "I don't think so, sir!"
     
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  5. Iamnotthewalrus

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    At least this episode gives Nichelle Nichols a little more to do than say, "hailing frequencies open.".
     
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  6. Scopitone

    Scopitone Caught the last train for the coast

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    "I have one job on this ship. It's stupid, but I'm gonna do it!"
     
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  7. Iamnotthewalrus

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    I can understand why she wanted to quit. The Tribbles episode was one of the few that allowed her to act. There were a few others. They should have kept Kevin Reilly. That was a good character.
     
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  8. Iamnotthewalrus

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    The first season was the best of all the Trek stuff.
     
  9. BeatleJWOL

    BeatleJWOL Carnival of Light enjoyer... IF I HAD ONE

    That was sort of how I felt about it. The Captains was enough of a Shatner ego trip :p
     
  10. ralfy

    ralfy Well-Known Member

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    "William Shatner Clarifies What He Meant When He Said Gene Roddenberry Would ‘Turn In His Grave’ Over Modern Star Trek"

    I think many are aware of Roddenberry's history concerning womanizing, criticism of Shatner by his fellow performers and modern viewers, the belief that TOS is not in tune with present issues, and the point that TOS was in tune with issues during the 1960s, as seen in implied views of the Vietnam war, the Cold War, racism, etc., to a diverse crew including Asian and Russian characters, a televised interracial kiss, and so on. But I think Shatner meant more than just military protocol. That is,

    The show is a technological utopian and socialist view of the future: with an abundance of resources, there's less need for credit and the drive to become rich. With the same technology allowing for FTL travel, there's also less emphasis on showbiz and sports entertainment as well as popularity, and more with understanding hundreds of cultures in only part of one's galaxy, with many more out there.

    Given that, the viewer becomes inspired, thinking that human aspirations involve becoming like the best that other alien races are, such as the Vulcans with their logic, while the same Vulcans want to learn what it means to be human, i.e., human beings with their combination of reason and emotion, the latter sometimes driven by passion leading to greed and violence which they struggle to control, but also by compassion.

    Anyway, I think that's what made TOS so appealing to viewers, and what I think is Shatner's point (and probably what he thinks is Roddenberry's point, i.e., given JFK and classical liberalism) is that that has been lost in recent shows. Instead, the latter emphasize the cynicism of the present.
     
  11. Iamnotthewalrus

    Iamnotthewalrus Forum Resident

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    They also dumbed it down and turned Trek into a space soap opera comic book. In any case, much as I like the original Star Trek series, it was not the only show then with social and political commentary. "Route 66" is just one that comes to mind.
     
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  12. Elessar

    Elessar Sailor On The Seas of Fate

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    Her Mirror, Mirror scene with Sulu was pretty awesome.

    Bruce Hyde after his 2nd Trek appearance quit Hollywood and became a hippie, though he eventually got a degree in teaching and worked in theater.
     
  13. Ginger Ale

    Ginger Ale Snackophile

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    We saw The Kirk at a small con; it was eons ago, but he kept everyone in stitches. I think he spoke about his horse (s) among other things.

    Anyone ever see the black 'n' white potboiler, Kid Monk Baroni? Hint: it doesn't star The Kirk.
     
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  14. Hoover Factory

    Hoover Factory Old Dude Who Knows Things

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    THIS :righton:

    Shatner is 100% correct. Roddenberry was a decorated pilot who flew B-17s is WWII. He always had a high regard for military service.

    Also, Star Trek: TOS’s “philosophy” is JFK’s “New Frontier”…with a little bit of Hugh Hefner thrown in. Hate it all you like, but in the mid 1960s, that was an optimistic and progressive vision.
     
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  15. Saintbert

    Saintbert Forum Resident

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    I watched The Questor Tapes, a 1974 TV film/series pilot. Written by the two Genes - Roddenberry and Coon - it can be seen in some way as bridging the original series and The Next Generation. The story involves an android looking to meet his maker. He is something of a Data prototype and despite his humanlike appearance manages to be even odder fit in the human society than the yellow guy... Yet both yearn to fit in.

    What the film has going for it is a bunch of interesting ideas and intriguing visuals. I don't think they have made the best use of the premise, though, and I find the storytelling (and globetrotting) rough. It's well worth a watch though for anyone wanting to delve deeper into several familiar Star Trekian themes and the work of Roddenberry and Coon. I found the film online and you can too if you google the name along with the words "archive" and "org".

    A novelization of the story would later be made by none other than D.C. Fontana. That might be a fun read.
     
  16. sotosound

    sotosound Forum Resident

    I had to think twice about "... meet his maker." as my first impression was of a suicidal android. :)

    So, was this, in effect, a second "Nomad" or, perhaps, a proto-"V'ger"?
     
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  17. Saintbert

    Saintbert Forum Resident

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    As the android in question would say, death is what happens to living beings. Would you consider an android to be alive?

    The Questor Tapes treads a path in some ways similar to the TOS episode "Assignment: Earth" (itself another "pilot" for a potential spinoff). And it has a Motion Picture-esque grand confrontation, and it did make me think of that film in a couple of ways, not necessarily having to do with the story itself. Going off topic here, but I find The Motion Picture likewise weak on the storytelling front, but goodness is it impressive visually, with an outstanding soundtrack too.

    I don't want to spoil anything for anyone looking to watch The Questor Tapes but I think it takes a couple of sci-fi tropes and combines them creatively.

    Not completely coincidentally, the last TNG episode I watched was "Measure of a Man" where Data is on trial to settle whether he is a life form or property...
     
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  18. sotosound

    sotosound Forum Resident

    Which, perhaps, answered your original question? :)
     
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  19. Ginger Ale

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    And that should have been that. But the Fed was always making Data prove it again and again, which I hated.
     
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  20. Saintbert

    Saintbert Forum Resident

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    Isn't it a bit like Spock is all about being logical and no emotions and then that dance goes around and around.

    That brings me to my favourite scene from the original series (from the episode "Amok Time"):



    As for TNG, I feel lucky rewatching the series and having almost no recollection of the events to come. There's a couple of Star Trek shows in between me last seeing TNG, so that should explain it.

    What was I talking about?
     
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  21. boyjohn

    boyjohn Senior Member

    Although there are many great and not so great episodes in the series one thing you have to look forward to is season four's "The Drumhead" with Picard playing the "Ed Murrow" of the 24th century. What a fantastic episode and should be required viewing for all high schoolers.
     
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  22. Ginger Ale

    Ginger Ale Snackophile

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    “JIM!”

    'Why, Spock. Emotions?'

    'Coughcough I was merely gratified that a good officer had not been blahblah...'

    (McCoy: In a pig's eye...)

    Love that scene.

    There are similarities to be sure, but no one questions Spock's autonomy. Data has to prove he's not property over and over again, especially and most egregiously when the Fed steals his cute little android daughter. Because she's 'property' too.
     
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  23. Iamnotthewalrus

    Iamnotthewalrus Forum Resident

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    It feels like we're all property these days.
     
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  24. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    But there are also several times when Data goes, or seems to go, haywire, with few repercussions.
     
  25. Ginger Ale

    Ginger Ale Snackophile

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    And why does he only use his 'great android strength and speed' against his crewmates? o_O
     

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