Star Wars: Episode VIII (The Last Jedi) - SPOILERS POSSIBLE*

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  1. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

    Luray, Virginia
    Great point. That's why I would love to see someone who was a fan of this movie with skills to have a go at it. The requirements would be keep the core plot and narrative, don't drastically change the Luke/Kylo and Rey arc. Everything else is fair game.

    I personally like fan edits. There are a few out there (Superman 2 and Batman Forever for example)that have fan edits that I vastly prefer over the original,but not because they drastically change the story told,but usually enhance the experience by skillfully using what's there and only making judicious additions where they make sense.
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  2. Encuentro

    Encuentro Forum Resident

    Though I haven’t seen many fan-edits, I agree with you. My problem isn’t with fan-editors who feel that a work is flawed but has promise and just needs a little tweaking; my problem is with fan-editors who hate somebody else’s work and decide to “fix” it, as seems to be the case with this particular fan-editor. That “credit” you posted was very disrespectful to the artist who actually created the film he altered. If he’s going to play in Rian Johnson’s sandbox, the very least he can do is give the man some respect for giving him something to work with. Without Rian Johnson, this fan-editor wouldn’t have anything to work. He would be forced to, God forbid, go out and create something of his own from scratch.
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  3. sunspot42

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    San Francisco
    I find this "fan edit" (more like fan wank) particularly ridiculous, since TLJ is the best Star Wars film since at least Return of the Jedi, if not The Empire Strikes Back.

    I'd change a few things about it, but not a lot. At least it's an original story (unlike TFA, which mostly photocopies ANH), and coherent (unlike the entire prequel trilogy).
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  4. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

    Luray, Virginia

    What I find the most amusing the fan editor and this edit as well as the fact loads of anti TLJ and Disney Star Wars detractors that are praising this thing as the greatest ever pretty much proves that the film as released isn't garbage and the "worst movie"ever made.

    Most of the changes (save for one) are relatively minor. Overall if being generous ,all the changes add up to a 20 percent change to the overall product. Perhaps 10 percent are judicious edits and additions (like the cut deleted scenes) that do improve the movie. They truly do and Ortega deserves to pat himself on the back for it. Those spots subjectively needed fixing or polishing and he fixed it. Great.

    The other 10 percent is indeed fanboy fan wanking so their favorite meme from 1983 gets a glorious death and that a new character they inexplicably hated got the shaft just because, and to attempt to put their childhood hero back on his pedistal and whitewash as much interesting character development or arc for him in favor of cliches and bad dialogue that "fix" nothing and frankly makes for a weaker movie. A safer and more by the numbers movie,but a weaker one so they didn't have to feel sad.

    To be honest I probably could overlook the changes to Luke more if the fan editor didn't make his sense of arrogance,ignorance and entitlement,and thus the arrogance, ignorance and entitlement of the "Dizney ruined muh childhood" brigaders so blatantly on the nose with that "Written,Edited and directed by people who actually care about Star Wars" credit. I literally had an eye rolling physical reaction when that popped up on my phone screen at the end. I literally yelled "Bullsh!t" at my screen. It literally pissed me off, thus the long rambling posts last night.

    I still say the edit is far better than I expected. It certainly proves things like trimming down the Canto Bight stuff and adding and reordering a few scenes here and there do indeed improve it. There's nothing wrong with TLJ that a good editor couldn't have fixed.

    Oh, and one more thing I forgot to mention... adding back the 20th Century Fox logo and fanfare to the beginning of the movie is a change I welcome. It just feels right. Now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox, I kinda hope they at least return the fanfare to Episode IX and subsequent Star Wars releases. Yeah,its a small thing, but it's felt weird since TFA to not see and hear that familiar piece of music over the Lucasfilm logo and before the opening crawl.
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  5. Peace N. Love

    Peace N. Love Forum Resident

    Haven't seen the edit, but I remember thinking there's probably a solid 90-minute movie there.
  6. Quadboy

    Quadboy Forum Resident

    That fan edit ruined my childhood!
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  7. malcolm reynolds

    malcolm reynolds Handsome, Humble, Genius

    I have zero interest in a fan edit of The Last Jedi. A turd is a turd and short of completely rewriting and shooting it nothing will cover the stink.
  8. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

    Luray, Virginia

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  9. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

    Luray, Virginia

    "I'm not going to see this thing you are talking about, but I will take this opportunity to tell everyone again how much I think the original version of the thing I'm not going to see and don't care about sucks. Because I don't care. Really! I don't!"

    Sounds about right.:D
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  10. FVDnz

    FVDnz Forum Resident

    I don't know if I want to watch Ivan Ortega's fan edit either. I like fan edits as long as they're done with care and ensuring that moments aren't sticking out like a sore thumb.

    I myself am looking forward to Adywan's edit of Return of the Jedi and a re-release of ANH in HD which he is still currently working on. I do, however, like the recent SC38 reimagining from FXitinPost on YouTube.
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  11. Encuentro

    Encuentro Forum Resident

    I haven't seen Hal9000's fan edit, but I like his attitude. If I'm going to watch any fan edit of The Last Jedi, it's going to be this one.

    Star Wars - Episode VIII: The Last Jedi: Legendary


    The following information and more can be found at, home of the fan edits.

    Running time is about 143 minutes.

    Tagline: It’s time for the Jedi to end…

    Synopsis: It’s the same Star Wars: The Last Jedi you pondered over, cleared of distractions. The trip to the casino of Canto Bight is truncated, the Caretakers of Ach-To are removed, and a few scenes are rearranged, allowing Rian Johnson’s story to shine. Strap in for a contemplative journey not experienced since The Empire Strikes Back.

    Intention: To address a few standout issues about the film which distract from its focus. This is a fairly conservative edit, doing what is possible to streamline the film without radically altering it.

    This is intended as constructive; I enjoy TLJ quite a bit and, given my history with producing fan edits, it was inevitable that I would attempt something like this. What this project is NOT intended as is an indictment of Disney or Rian Johnson. Rather, this is my way of engaging with the film and putting a slight spin on it.

    This film subverts audience/fan expectation at many points. While this edit doesn’t seek to reverse this, some instances of this were addressed in order to (hopefully) allow the film to do this while still feeling like part 8 of a 9-part story.

    Regarding General Hux: It is not my intention to “rescue” this character, as he is rightfully played as a youthful, arrogant Neo-Nazi buffoon. The changes made to his character in this edit are intended to allow him to remain somewhat threatening, at least up until Kylo Ren takes over as Supreme Leader toward the end.

    The humor in this film has been pruned, though a great deal of humor has been retained. Star Wars has always relied on humor, though has never strayed into Spaceballs territory. For example, as much as I enjoyed the “iron/spaceship” gag, it felt like something from a parody of Star Wars rather than something within it. This was my guideline. Humor is very subjective, so I attempted to thread the needle as best I could.

    This edit does not attempt to alter Rey’s character in any meaningful way. Her natural talent for using the Force and heroic escapades are necessary to get the film’s story in motion. Her triple-TIE combo shot was removed from the battle of Crait in the conventional interest of “less is more,” and is not intended as a commentary of Rey herself. Also, the removal of a single detail during Kylo Ren’s conversation with her about her parents is not intended to in any way alter the fact that her parents were “nobody,” but merely to address a potential continuity oddity when compared to TFA depicting her parents as leaving Jakku in the process of abandoning her.

    All things considered, this fan edit is intended as a lightweight alternative to other edits which remove large swaths of the film. Similar to my edits of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, if you are hoping for a massive overhaul that fundamentally alters the movie, this isn’t the edit for you.
    The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS) - Original Trilogy

    I enjoyed SC 3, 5, 16, 29, 38 Reimagined from the folks at Auralnauts. Obviously, the title is a little nod to SC 38, but that's where the similarities end. This reimagining sticks with the original lightsaber duel. Vader's dialogue in A New Hope has been replaced and includes numerous references to the events depicted in Rogue One and the prequels. The voiceover work is pretty impressive. It's all done tongue-in-cheek, of course, and the humor is pretty clever. Have you ever wondered what Vader was doing behind that door on the Death Star after Luke shot the controls to close it? Well, the folks at Auralnauts have given us their take on it. I would love to see an edit of the entire film done in this fashion just for kicks and giggles.
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  12. FVDnz

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    I've seen that compilation before, ta. It was all good up until the duel which leaves me to wonder if they intended on digging at the FXitinPost clip.

    And I'll check out that fan edit too, cheers.
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  13. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

    Luray, Virginia
    I found this video today that is probably one of the most thoughtful and balanced analysis of TLJ I've seen. After watching this ,I actually better appreciate some of the things I originally didn't care for. It certainly makes you think over some aspects of this film.

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  14. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

    Götaland, Sverige
    The cinematographer of Knives Out wants to end the film-vs.-digital debate

    “The Last Jedi is the biggest display prep demo of all time,” Yedlin says. While the majority was shot on film, approximately 50% of it was actually digital. And no, the digital shots aren’t the ones you’d guess — because you can’t guess. “They’re mixed in every which way,” he says, for reasons as simple needing another angle on a shot and not having any more film cameras available. Each time, film and digital are cut together seamlessly, sometimes even as cutbacks to the same shots.

    Yedlin won’t mention any particular shots or scenes, but that’s the point — visually, you won’t be able to tell. In fact, he says, when looking at them in post-production, even he had trouble knowing which was which.
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  15. Smokin Chains

    Smokin Chains Forum Resident

    Nashua, NH
    I took my 10 year old nephew last weekend to see this and was surprised that the theater was at least 2/3 full! I thought we'd be the only ones there.

    He loves the sequel trilogy.
  16. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    You saw "Last Jedi" in theaters last weekend? :confused:

    I guess it takes movies a long time to get to New Hampshire! :D
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  17. Smokin Chains

    Smokin Chains Forum Resident

    Nashua, NH
    We're going to see E.T. next week!

    hahahaha oops! Obviously got my films crossed.
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  18. I saw The Last Jedi last night, after watching The Mandalorian and re-watching The Force Awakens.

    I haven't read any reviews of TLJ, though to me, it may just be the worst off all the films, perhaps by a large margin. Certainly it entertained (to a degree), yet most of it defied logic, even by space-western-popcorn fare.

    No spoilers please, but does The Rise of Skywalker improve the sequal, or does it still treat the audience like we're 10-year olds? :)
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  19. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    United States
    It corrects plot mistakes that were in The Last Jedi, but had this film not ruined the whole trilogy, The Rise Of Skywalker might have gone a lot better. I’m not a fan of J. J. Abrams, but he should’ve done the entire trilogy and I think Disney knows this, so the next time they want to do another trilogy, they’ll keep the same director to avoid disaster or maybe they haven’t learned a thing and just view Star Wars as a cash cow. Anyway you look at it, I think it’s a disgrace what they’ve done to this franchise. I’ll never forgive Lucas for all of the alterations he did for the newer editions of the original trilogy (Episodes IV through VI), but I definitely won’t forgive him now for selling his franchise to Disney. The amusing thing about all of this is he has said later on that he regrets selling it them. Lucas only saw dollar signs and didn’t think about his own legacy. He’s worth over a billion dollars, but, at the end of the day, if money is all you have and you don’t own the rights to what you created, then so much for living.
  20. Thanks for your opinion.

    So, have you seen The Mandalorian, and if so, how do you think it matches up to the rest of the sequels?

    I thought The Mandalorian was highly entertaining, and though I could poke holes in it, as soon as a scene went down a goofy path, it would go into something super cool, making me forget any dumbery in that moment.

    Many claim that The Mandalorian is a return to form, therefore, in comparison to The Last Jedi, I would agree.

    Any opinions won't dissuade me from watching The Rise of Skywalker, because I at least want to see it (and maybe Rogue One and Solo), but since I've stayed away from reviews, forum opinions are welcome, without spoilers.

    That TLJ was pretty doggy, though. Woof! It's like getting limberger cheese on your sandwich, when you asked for no cheese at all.
  21. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    United States
    I haven’t seen any of The Mandalorian and that’s because I have no interest in subscribing to Disney+. If no opinion would dissuade you from watching The Rise of Skywalker, then why ask about it? Just watch it and draw your own conclusions about it. The only Star Wars film I’ve enjoyed since Disney has taken over has been Rogue One. I thought this one was well-done. It was good story that didn’t have to rely on past glories to tell it’s tale. A fine standalone and equally on par with A New Hope (my least favorite of the original trilogy). But so far, nothing has matched The Empire Strikes Back and I don’t really see this happening as long as Disney are running the franchise into the ground.
  22. LitHum05

    LitHum05 El Disco es Cultura

    Without Jar Jar to shoulder the load, the entire Star Wars franchise is a shadow of what it was.
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  23. jamesc

    jamesc Senior Member

    Dallas, TX
    I didn't think The Force Awakens was perfect but I thought it was an excellent return to form after the prequels.

    I really enjoyed Rogue One as well although I thought it got a little Marvel-esque at times.

    The Last Jedi was shockingly bad in my opinion. I saw it on opening day and it was the first Star Wars film I've seen on opening day that didn't get an enthusiastic crowd cheering when the credits started rolling. Instead... silence.

    Because of TLJ, Solo was the first Star Wars film I didn't see in the theater but I eventually saw it on video and I thought it was pretty mediocre.

    The Rise Of Skywalker was somewhere between TFA and TLJ for me but probably closer to TLJ. I think Mirror Image is right in that it probably would have been better if Abrams didn't have to mop up the mess left behind by TLJ.

    I just finished season one of The Madalorian and really enjoyed that as well. I'd probably buy the blu-ray if Disney ever releases one.

    Let us know what you think of the rest.
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  24. Jrr

    Jrr Forum Resident

    If you don’t watch anything else make sure you see Rogue One. It took me a couple of viewings but I loved it the second time. It feels a lot more like the original films. I get all the names confused, but I liked the first of the last trilogy very much, less with TLJ, and just wasn’t all that thrilled with the final film. I feel like I’m permanently done with Star Wars, something that would have been unthinkable a few years ago. Guess I would have to agree in large part with Mirror Image then. Disney kinda ruined it, but maybe younger people who didn’t start with the original films would disagree.
  25. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

    The sequels were all dogs... loved Rogue One... Solo was ok... I'm five episodes into The Mandalorian and tbh I don't think I can go further... it's really lame... I think the animated Rebels is much better and as a matter of fact - along with Rogue One - the best SW related thing since Empire, which I saw on opening day so that tells you how far back I go...
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