Steely Dan on AP SACD

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  1. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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  2. soundboy

    soundboy Senior Member

    MoFi SACD of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" may also be happening in November as well.
     
  3. jfeldt

    jfeldt Forum Resident

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    Is the special low insertion loss EQ gear mentioned not going to be used in making the SACDs? I’m not familiar enough with these AP releases to know if the signal chain for the SACD mastering is totally different than the chain used for the 45RPM mastering.
     
  4. marcb

    marcb Senior Member

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    Yet again, Acoustic Sounds owns Analogue Productions. Their date is all that matters. Music Direct's date is meaningless. Music Direct won't have it if Acoustic Sounds doesn't. They either haven't gotten the word yet (likely) or haven't updated their page yet (possible).

    Music Direct owns MFSL. If anyone has the date correct for an MFSL release, it's Music Direct.
     
  5. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Saved me some typing! :agree:
     
  6. Myke

    Myke Trying Not To Spook The Horse

    I don't know as nothing but the vinyl is ever discussed.
     
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  7. MrCJF

    MrCJF Best served with coffee and cake.

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    I knew the AS/AP bit, I guess I'm just too optomistic.
     
  8. Musicisthebest

    Musicisthebest Exiled Yorkshireman

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    If this is the new release date it’s doubly annoying, firstly because of the delay and secondly because the UK deliveries will get caught up in the proposed Royal Mail strike that’s timed around then.
     
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  9. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    I thought that they finally found them in a locker years ago? It was around the time of filming the following that they (Donald & Walter) even realized that the tapes were even missing (I believe it was "Black Cow" and the title track "Aja", if I'm not mistaken?)

    I love watching these two talking together during this segment ...

     
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  11. jmacvols

    jmacvols Forum Resident

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  12. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    They changed a meaningless date to another meaningless date.
     
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  13. brimuchmuze

    brimuchmuze Forum Resident

    Also available on other outlets such as 7digital, should be everywhere Friday.

    I bought the 96/24, it sounds very nice, lots of headroom, no signs of compression.

    Best of all, very affordable!

    I was thinking about buying the SACDs, but still too expensive to buy and ship to my country.

    The download will sound just as good, and can always be burned to a DVD at 96/24.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2022
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  14. brimuchmuze

    brimuchmuze Forum Resident

    Original CD (from DR Database)

    foobar2000 1.3.6 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
    log date: 2015-03-31 23:43:44

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    Analyzed: ? / ?
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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    DR11 -0.50 dB -13.71 dB 5:57 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 01. Do It Again
    DR11 0.00 dB -13.85 dB 3:09 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 02. Dirty Work
    DR12 -0.35 dB -14.54 dB 3:46 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 03. Kings
    DR11 -0.49 dB -13.94 dB 4:08 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 04. Midnite Cruiser
    DR11 -0.36 dB -13.68 dB 2:58 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 05. Only A Fool Would Say That
    DR11 0.00 dB -13.31 dB 4:37 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 06. Reelin' In The Years
    DR11 -0.63 dB -14.75 dB 3:28 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 07. Fire In The Hole
    DR11 -0.71 dB -14.33 dB 4:21 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 08. Brooklyn
    DR11 -0.79 dB -14.06 dB 3:40 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 09. Change Of The Guard
    DR12 -0.70 dB -15.34 dB 4:59 ?-Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 10. Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
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    Number of tracks: 10
    Official DR value: DR11

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 1411 kbps
    Codec: PCM
    ================================================================================

    96/24 download from 7digital:

    foobar2000 1.6.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
    log date: 2022-11-03 23:35:27
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    Analyzed: Steely Dan / Can't Buy A Thrill
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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    DR11 -1.32 dB -14.99 dB 5:57 01-Do It Again
    DR11 -2.24 dB -16.53 dB 3:10 02-Dirty Work
    DR12 -0.52 dB -16.16 dB 3:48 03-Kings
    DR11 -2.27 dB -16.34 dB 4:12 04-Midnite Cruiser
    DR10 -3.38 dB -15.72 dB 2:56 05-Only A Fool Would Say That
    DR11 -1.62 dB -14.96 dB 4:37 06-Reelin' In The Years
    DR11 -2.89 dB -16.54 dB 3:30 07-Fire In The Hole
    DR11 -1.43 dB -14.78 dB 4:22 08-Brooklyn (Owes The Charmer Under Me)
    DR10 -1.59 dB -14.57 dB 3:40 09-Change Of The Guard
    DR12 -3.32 dB -17.14 dB 4:59 10-Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
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    Number of tracks: 10
    Official DR value: DR11
    Samplerate: 96000 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 24
    Bitrate: 3122 kbps
    Codec: FLAC
    ================================================================================
     
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  15. MemoInPR

    MemoInPR Señor Memo

    Available for purchase at HDTracks, both as 192/24 and 96/24.

    HDtracks
     
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  16. brimuchmuze

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  18. brimuchmuze

    brimuchmuze Forum Resident

    Can't say what you see in the US, but from Canada it is CA$13.49 :) well, there is tax added too.

    Anyway less than 1/10th the price of the UHQR, less than half the price of the SACD or 33.

    If you want the UHQR or SACD from outside the US factor in crazy shipping charges too.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2022
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  19. jfeldt

    jfeldt Forum Resident

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    Are the new Steely Dan downloads the same mastering as the upcoming Analogue Productions SACDs or something else?
     
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  20. Merrick

    Merrick The return of the Thin White Duke

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    It’s confirmed that the digital downloads are the same mastering? Are the SACDs being converted from PCM to DSD?
     
  21. brimuchmuze

    brimuchmuze Forum Resident

    All we know for sure is Bernie Grundman did the digital masters. Hard to say if they are the same.

    Once someone has the SACD in hand a better comparison should be possible.

    All the youtube videos with Bernie are focused on the vinyl. Someone should ask him about the digital releases.
     
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  22. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    Thanks!
    1st mastering would be this one, Japan for US
    DR13 -0.71 dB -16.13 dB 5:56 01-Do It Again
    DR12 -0.52 dB -16.23 dB 3:10 02-Dirty Work
    DR13 -0.97 dB -17.15 dB 3:48 03-Kings
    DR13 -0.50 dB -16.76 dB 4:09 04-Midnight Cruiser
    DR12 -1.05 dB -15.60 dB 2:58 05-Only a Fool Would Say That
    DR12 -0.79 dB -15.41 dB 4:35 06-Reelin' in the Years
    DR13 -0.95 dB -16.47 dB 3:27 07-Fire in the Hole
    DR12 -0.95 dB -16.13 dB 4:21 08-Brooklyn (Owes the Charmer Under Me)
    DR12 -0.15 dB -15.65 dB 3:37 09-Change of the Guard
    DR13 -0.26 dB -16.71 dB 5:00 10-Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
     
  23. SammyU

    SammyU Forum Resident

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    Per the Editor's Notes for Can't Buy A Thrill on ProStudio Masters, it sure sounds like they are the same new mastering:


    "All albums are being meticulously remastered by Bernie Grundman from the original analog tapes except for Aja, which will be mastered from an analog, non-EQ’d, tape copy, and Gaucho, which will be sourced from a 1980 analog tape copy originally EQ’d by Bob Ludwig."
     
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  24. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    Unless someone from AP steps in and does EQ tricks I'd think they would be the same. The samples do sound good, pretty much mimics the early CD mastering. I'm not hearing any treble spikes or bass boom (thank God) I think people will be happy with these.
     
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  25. Uncle_Meat

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    It’s also available on Apple Music at 24/192, it would seem. I took some screenshots but I can’t figure out how to post them!
     
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