Steve Vai - Appreciation and Album thread *

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  1. Miles1968

    Miles1968 The years just pass like trains

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    I love this track (especially the back half :)). It's like an all you can eat buffet of Vai shredding. The build up prior to Vai letting fly is great, and I could listen to the last three minutes over and over. I used to wonder (and fantasise) about whether the solo went on for even longer than was used on the track.

    That probably seems a bit breathless, but for me this is up there with the best tracks Vai has been involved with.
     
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  2. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I wouldn't complain about a few more minutes ... I have no idea if it's an edit or not though :)
     
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  3. Sentient Six

    Sentient Six Forum Resident

    Location:
    Annandale, NJ USA
    I've known for a really long time that Steve did play on a PiL record, but never researched which one. I ended up listening to these songs a lot yesterday and ordered a copy of the CD today for my collection.
     
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  4. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Steve Vai - a rough history
    The JEM guitar
    Interview
    Talking about Zappa
    Some guitar techniques

    Stevie's Spanking with Zappa 1981


    May 1981 Zappa Tinseltown Rebellion
    Fine Girl
    Easy Meat
    For The Young Sophisticate
    Love Of My Life
    Ain't Got No Heart
    Panty rap, Tell me you love me, Now You See it now You don't, Dance Contest, Blue Light, Tinseltown Rebellion, Pick Me I'm clean
    Bamboozeld By Love, Brown Shoes Don't Make It, Peaches 3

    1981 - Shut Up And Play Yer guitar - Frank Zappa Guitar Book

    sept 1981 Zappa You Are What You Is

    Teenage Wind
    Harder Than Your Husband
    Doreen, Goblin Girl, Theme From the 3rd movement of sinister footwear
    Society Pages, I'm A beautiful Guy, Beauty Knows No Pain
    Charlies enormous mouth, Any Downers, Conehead, You Are What You Is
    You Are What You Is - video
    Mudd Club, The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing, Dumb All Over
    Heavenly Bank Account, Suicide Chump, Jumbo Go Away, If Only She Woulda, Drafted Again

    NYC Palladium 1981 - with Zappa

    May 1982 Zappa Ship Arriving Too Late to Save A Drowning Witch
    No Not Now
    Valley Girl
    I Come From Nowhere
    Drowning Witch
    Envelopes
    Teenage Prostitute

    Mar 1983 Zappa Man From Utopia
    Cocaine Decisions
    The Dangerous Kitchen
    Tink Walks Amok
    The Radio Is Broken
    Moggio
    The Man From Utopia Meets Mary Lou
    Stick Together
    Sex
    Jazz Discharge Party Hats
    We Are Not Alone

    Jan 1984 Zappa Flex-able + leftovers
    Little Green Men
    Viv Woman
    Lovers Are Crazy
    Salamanders In The Sun
    Boy/Girl Song
    The Attitude Song
    Call It Sleep
    Junkie
    Bill's Private Parts
    Next Stop Earth
    There's Something Dead In Here
    Flex-able Leftovers
    You Didn't Break it
    Bledsoe Blvd
    The Beast Of Love
    Burnin' Down The Mountain
    So Happy
    Details At 10
    Little Pieces Of Seaweed
    Chronic Insomnia

    Oct 1984 Alcatrazz - Power Live dvd

    Oct 1984 Zappa - Them Or Us

    The Closer You Are
    In France
    Ya Hozna
    Sharleena
    Sinister Footwear II
    Truck Driver Divorce
    Stevie's Spanking - live Vai and Zappa jam
    Baby Take Your Teeth Out
    Marque-son's Chicken
    Planet Of My Dreams
    Be In My Video
    Them Or Us
    Frogs With Dirty Little Lips
    Whipping Post

    March 1985 Alcatrazz Disturbing The Peace
    God Blessed Video
    Mercy - actual song
    Will You Be Home Tonight
    Wire And Wood
    Desert Diamond
    Stripper
    Painted Lover
    A Lighter Shade Of Green
    Sons And Lovers
    Skyfire
    Breaking The Heart Of The City - live

    Vai Live at the Spirit Club 1985

    Nov 1985 Frank Zappa - Meets The Mothers Of Prevention
    We're Turning Again
    Alien Orifice
    Yo Cats
    What's New In Baltimore
    Little Beige Samb
    Porn Wars
    Aerobics In Bondage
    I Don't Even Care
    One Man One Vote
    HR2911

    Jan 1986 Public Image Limited (PIL) - Album
    FFF
    Rise
    Fishing
    Round
    Bags
    Home
    Ease

    with David Lee Roth -
    Big Trouble

    The Crossroads dual

    For The Love Of God -live with the Metropole Orchestra
     
  5. Fonz

    Fonz Forum Resident

    I asked Steve about ‘Ease’ at a Vai ‘Experience’ in 2013. If I remember correctly, it was pretty much his last work on the ’album’. Laswell put him in a room and gave him two takes to nail it, (and, unbelievably) without letting him hear the accompaniment first. What you hear is, therefore, pretty spontaneous, improvised magic.
    I agree that it’s pretty much unequalled, not just as a guitar solo, but as a moment of expression.
    It covers so many different fancy techniques, but they’re absorbed into something that is whizzing by so quickly...Steve was channelling something very special that day.
    Jaw-dropping. And what makes it so special is that, first time listening to it, it was so unexpected. Let’s face it, the rest of the album is nothing special. For that statement to close it out speaks volumes about how JL and Laswell must have felt about Steve’s contribution. The ultimate compliment.
     
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  6. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Also in 1986 Vai performed these tracks on these albums.

    Bob Harris The Great Nostalgia
    • Vai performs on "Autumn in Nepal" and "There's Still Hope"
    Randy Coven Funk Me Tender
    • Vai performs on "Funk Me Tender"
    Western Vacation Western Vacation
    • Vai performs on "Western Vacation" under the name "Reckless Fable"
    I seem to remember The Western Vacation track

     
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  7. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Eat 'Em and Smile

    [​IMG]
    Studio album by
    David Lee Roth
    Released
    July 7, 1986
    Studio The Power Station, New York City, Fantasy Studios, Berkeley, California, Can-Am Recorders, Tarzana, California
    Genre Hard rock, glam metal
    Length 30:39
    Label Warner Bros.
    Producer Ted Templeman

    Eat 'Em and Smile is the debut full-length solo album by original Van Halen vocalist David Lee Roth, released on July 7, 1986.

    Additional personnel[edit]
    1. "Yankee Rose" David Lee Roth, Steve Vai "Yankee Rose" 3:55
    2. "Shyboy" Billy Sheehan "Tímido" 3:24
    3. "I'm Easy" Billy Field, Tom Price "Soy Fácil" 2:11
    4. "Ladies' Nite In Buffalo?" Roth, Vai "Noche de Ronda en la Ciudad" 4:08
    5. "Goin' Crazy!" Roth, Vai "¡Loco del calor!" 3:10
    6. "Tobacco Road" John D. Loudermilk "La Calle del Tobaco" 2:29
    7. "Elephant Gun" Roth, Vai "Arma de Caza Mayor" 2:26
    8. "Big Trouble" Roth, Vai "En busca de pleito" 3:59
    9. "Bump And Grind" Roth, Vai "Cuánto Frenesí" 2:32
    10. "That's Life" Dean Kay, Kelly Gordon "Así es la Vida" 2:45
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    This was a fantastic album, and a bit of a statement from Lee Roth after leaving Van Halen.
    The band he got together is a rather amazing bunch of musicians and Vai and Billy Sheehan being in the same band is a match made in heaven for this kind of music. The first time I heard Shy Boy, my jaw dropped.
    This album was a bit more raw than the more recent Van Halen albums, but certainly not rough. This band was just too good to make a rough album, but the rawness of it helped sell the overall idea that Lee Roth was back in the saddle.
    I think this is possibly where a lot of folks finally touched base with Vai, and could go a long way to explaining why a lot of them really didn't get into the solo stuff, being generally instrumental and not really based in this sort of rock music.
    On its own regardless of anything else, this is a strong album, and set Lee Roth on his way.
    I'm looking forward to revisiting this album, as it has been a while, but I know these songs pretty well, because this got played a fair bit back in the eighties.

    So please let us know your thoughts and feelings on this album, and we'll hit the first couple of songs in the morning.
     
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  8. Fonz

    Fonz Forum Resident


    The Wester Vacation track is nice enough. It's got a very 80's Zappa feel about it, and Steve does a nice solo trade with the sax, with a few classic 80's 'Vai-isms', including a really dense harmonised run, possibly doubled with the keys.
    The album's not bad, but I only tune in for this track really.
     
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  9. Fonz

    Fonz Forum Resident

    EEAS is off the scale. Absolutely off the charts. So much to love.
    That it's got THE greatest frontman running the show is brilliant. The accompanying visuals (I got the VHS) cemented this in my brain FOR EVER!
     
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  10. Miles1968

    Miles1968 The years just pass like trains

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    Just took the opportunity to listen to this again. It was another of the albums that I went back to once I heard Skyscraper and got hooked on Vai. The whole band are top drawer. It's a really good album with loads of Vai, but I can't help feeling it tails off slightly in the last three tracks (I'm probably a bit hard on it as I rate Skyscraper so highly, but more on that when we get there !).
     
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  11. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Skyscraper is an excellent album, and sometimes it seems like it is too good to be a David Lee Roth album lol
    It is very different, in a lot of ways, to anything else I heard him do.
     
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  12. Miles1968

    Miles1968 The years just pass like trains

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    I think you're right - that's probably part of why I like Skyscraper so much.
     
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  13. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

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  15. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Live in Detroit 1986

     
  16. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Live In Montreal 1986

     
  17. kdd21

    kdd21 Forum Resident

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    Atlanta
    Big Trouble might be DLRs best solo song. That song is amazing
     
  18. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    "Yankee Rose"

    [​IMG]
    Single by David Lee Roth
    from the album Eat 'Em and Smile
    Released
    June 18, 1986[1]
    Format 7" Vinyl record
    Recorded 1986
    Genre Hard rock, glam metal
    Length 3:55
    Label Warner Bros.
    Songwriter(s) David Lee Roth, Steve Vai
    Producer(s) Ted Templeman

    "Yankee Rose" is a hard rock song recorded by David Lee Roth. It was written by Roth and Steve Vai and was Roth's first single on his 1986 first full-length album Eat 'Em and Smile. It was recorded as a tribute to the Statue of Liberty in New York City,[2] as the statue was completing a major renovation for the 100th anniversary of its dedication in 1886.

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    So Steve and David wrote this together.
    We get Vai doing his first proper sort of talking guitar routine, and it introduces the song really well.
    This is a really good mid eighties rock song. We get all the really cool stuff we expect from Steve, and Lee Roth manages to put enough personality into the song to sell it.
    It is interesting to me that Ted Templeman is still producing, so I guess Lee Roth hadn't argued with him.
    A great album opener.

     
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  19. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

  20. Fonz

    Fonz Forum Resident

    In the vid I love the high-kickin ‘when she walks’ KICK ‘watch, the sparks will fly!’ at 3:10. Always makes me chuckle.
    Steve plays around with a few of his pre-JEM axes. Very cool.

    The actual playing...well, it’s tremendous. They’re setting out their stall in the most over the top way possible.
    A lot of fun.
     
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  21. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Shyboy
    When I first heard this track I was instantly sold.
    The drummer goes off, Vai rips off a great explosion of guitar and then we burst into a nice fast dirty groove.
    This is a great fast rock song, and although maybe not a single, probably the song that grabbed me most initially.
    This is a Billy Sheehan penned track.
    We get great guitar all through, and when we get to the lead break we get some awesome stuff, including a kind of fake modulation of key through Vai's wonderfully thought out lead break.
    When we get to the next break we get what was for me a jaw dropper with the harmonised bass and guitar double tapping run. I had never heard anything like that before when I first heard this track.

     
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  22. Miles1968

    Miles1968 The years just pass like trains

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    That harmonised break is simply awesome :D
     
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  23. Fonz

    Fonz Forum Resident

    Funnily, where ‘Shy Boy’ is such a shred-fest, it’s one of the lesser tracks on the album for me. Yes, the playing is stupendous, but the song itself is mediocre. Harsh? Maybe. It’s just that there are real diamonds in them thar hills, and we haven’t got to the best yet.
     
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  24. Anthrax

    Anthrax Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
    A few scattered random thoughts about Eat 'Em And Smile:

    - What a band!! Whoever had the idea of putting these guys together hit it out of the park. And they worked just right, didn't they? They didn't prog-out or indulge much - they'd go nuts when it was solo time, but the rest of the time it was all about the songs and, for all the flash, they made it work when it counted.

    - Someone really believed in this project. The DLR enterprise had serious financial backing from the start as we can see from the videos and stage show.

    - Listening to this David Lee Roth album along with the contemporaneous effort by his former band, it's always sounded to me like it was David who was keeping the Van Halen mood and character (for lack of a better description) alive. Eat 'Em And Smile says "this party's only started!", whereas 5150 says "sorry, mate, I gotta go, my girlfriend's waiting for me at home."
     
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  25. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    My thoughts exactly. I don't hate Hagar era Van Halen, but Lee Roth's first two solo albums blow the Van Halen stuff out of the park ... and knowing Diamond Dave, that was the plan
     

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