I think the diversion is kind of on topic, seeing as this very song we are discussing was recorded with Neil and Paul (and maybe Mark) without Nick. The thread is about the nature of Neil and Tim's music to some extent. Both are collaborative, like just about every musician, even Prince. (whose arrangemesnt were very much informed by the bands he played with even if he ended up playing all the parts on the record.) As for Mark, I get the pain from fans: Together Alone is perhaps my all-time favourite album and I think Mark is a big part of that sound -- and that's not even to mention the incredible chemistry and amazing shows the 89-96 line-up had. The fact is, this is the way Crowded House rolls. Crowded House is not like the Beatles or REM or U2...The band are more like the Cure, in the sense that the line up changes and the music changes along with it, but it's still centered on the songs of the undisputed leader. So Mark is the Porl Thompson of the band, I guess: he joined, he made his mark, he left. The main difference is that the personality of the players had always being such a big part of the act, I guess. I love that Washington show though, weak harmonies (actually I remember a distinct lack of them on that one) or no.