Superman exists in the same fictional universe as Seinfeld

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  1. dirwuf

    dirwuf Misplaced Chicagoan Thread Starter

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    Forget the memorabilia, Jerry should be able to meet him in person. Now pay attention...

    -In a a 1957 episode of "I Love Lucy", Superman shows up and meets the Ricardos. Note that he is only referred to as 'Superman' and not 'George Reeves'.

    -In a 1958 "Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour", Lucy and Ricky meet the Williams family from "The Danny Thomas Show"

    -In a 1963 episode of "The Danny Thomas Show", Buddy Sorrell from "The Dick Van Dyke Show" makes a crossover appearance.

    -We now flash-forward all the way to 1995 when Carl Reiner reprises his role as Alan Brady from "Dick Van Dyke" on an episode of "Mad About You".

    -Now backtrack to 1992, where it is revealed that Paul Buchman from "Mad About You" previously lived in the apartment of.....Kramer from "Seinfeld", thereby putting all these interconnected shows and characters in the same fictional universe.

    And if you want to go crazy, you can also tie-in all the characters from "The Andy Griffith Show" "Gomer Pyle", "Friends" and many other series as well...

    And it all ends with "St. Elsewhere".
     
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  4. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Space-Age luddite

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    Icons In Manhattan Getting Corporate Sponsorship
     
  5. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

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    It's a paradox, because Superman is referred to as a fictional character in Seinfeld. And there's a Seinfeld episode where Jerry mentions he's never seen an episode of I Love Lucy, so clearly Lucy and Ricky Ricardo are also fictional characters in the Seinfeld universe.

    It's similar to the Adam 12/Emergency paradox. Officers Reed and Malloy from Adam 12 appear on the Emergency pilot, and later there's an Adam 12 episode where the officers go to Rampart Hospital and interact with characters from Emergency. Yet even later, there's an episode of Emergency in which the paramedics are shown watching an episode of Adam 12 on TV, indicating it's a fictional show in their universe.
     
  6. Joel Cairo

    Joel Cairo Video Gort / Paiute Warrior Staff

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    Ot is it a weekly **documentary**...?!?!?

    :D

    - Kevin
     
  7. czeskleba

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    My recollection is that it's clear that they are watching a fictional TV drama. Can't find a clip of the episode online, but this summary of it quotes Roy as saying to Johnny, “It’s just a television show. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I know they’ll be back next week with another problem.”
     
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  8. Ignatius

    Ignatius Forum Resident

    Newman!
     
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  9. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Space-Age luddite

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    At the very least, if your continuity logic holds up, then what's to stop Koko the Clown from entering the same doors Kramer goes through...and Newman sexually-harassing Betty Boop-! :eek:
     
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  10. j_rocker

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    Kramer may have been a part of the Mad About You universe, but Mad About You was fictional in the Seinfeld universe as George and his finance Susan we’re watching an episode together.
     
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    I'm enjoying this thread in my universe of today which was a different universe yesterday. Looking forward to tomorrow's universe, if it exists, to catch up on this thread in real time.
     
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  12. Tim Lookingbill

    Tim Lookingbill Alfalfa Male

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    This thread seems like an ode to writer's block.
     
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  13. dirwuf

    dirwuf Misplaced Chicagoan Thread Starter

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    Maybe what George and Susan are watching is a reality show.
     
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    And there's the proof that Kramer is in fact Jerry's imaginary friend.
     
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    If true, a fact worth mentioning on the Peterman Reality Tour.
     
  16. All Rights

    All Rights Senior Member

    Also confusing is the Murphy Brown Universe in Seinfeld.

    In the Seinfeld season 3 finale, "The Keys" (May 1992) Kramer leaves for the west coast after an argument with Jerry about the keys.
    He winds up with an acting job playing Murphy Brown's latest ( a running gag on that show) secretary Steven Snell.
    So the real Kramer is playing a fiction character on TV.

    Fast forward to the season 6 finale, "The Understudy" ( May 18 ,1995), after George runs over and knocks out Bette Midler at home plate during a softball game, Kramer befriends her in the hospital and helps her recover.
    That's Bette Midler playing Bette Midler.

    Now skip ahead exactly 3 years to May 18, 1998 and the series finale* of Murphy Brown "Never Can Say Goodbye" ( which btw, aired 4 days after the Seinfeld finale) In that episode Murphy hires yet another secretary (the 93rd) by the name of Caprice Feldman, played by - Bette Midler.
    That's just Caprice Feldman,
    not (Kramer's friend) Bette Midler playing secretary Caprice Feldman the way Kramer was playing secretary Steven Snell.


    So if real Kramer is friends with real Bette Midler and he'd took an acting job on the same show that later hired Caprice Feldman, then what's the deal with Midler. Does she no longer exist in Kramer's Seinfeld world?

    Complicating matters further, Murphy Brown co worker Frank Fontana's father is played by Barney Martin who happens to be Jerry Seinfeld's father.

    *that was the show's finale at that time. It later returned.
     
  17. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

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    I did not watch Murphy Brown, but I don't understand how what you're describing is confusing at all.

    Kramer and Midler are established (on Seinfeld) as living in the same universe. Murphy Brown is established as a fictional TV show in the Seinfeld universe. Kramer plays a fictional character on Murphy Brown, and later Midler plays a fictional character on Murphy Brown. It seems perfectly consistent to me, unless I'm misunderstanding something.
     
  18. The Hud

    The Hud Breath of the Kingdom, Tears of the Wild

    So, is this 5 degrees of Superman, Seinfeld, Cosmo....???
     
  19. finslaw

    finslaw muzak to my ears

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    Ha, saw this episode last night. The Phone Machine from Season 2. And Jerry is very proud of the fact.
     
  20. Ghostworld

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    Watched every I Love Lucy as a kid. Ironically, I've never watched an episode of Seinfeld all the way through.
     
  21. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Ambient postpunk will never die

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    An easier explanation would be that real life actors play fictional characters, and TV show writers don't really care about continuity with other TV shows.
     
  22. dirwuf

    dirwuf Misplaced Chicagoan Thread Starter

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    But what fun is that?
     
  23. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Ambient postpunk will never die

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    Absolutely none.:D
     
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