Taylor Swift Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Socrates, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Memph

    Memph Active Member

    Thunder Bay, ON
    These Taylor lyrics are similar too although the context is different.
    "Please don't ever become a stranger whose laugh I could recognize anywhere"
    "Now I'm standing alone in a crowded room and we're not speaking"

    The context is more similar in Enchanted

    "Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger
    You may see a stranger across a crowded room
    And somehow you know, you know even then
    That somehow you'll see her again and again"

    "Your eyes whispered have we met
    'Cross the room your silhouette
    Starts to make its way to me
    The playful conversation starts
    Counter all your quick remarks
    Like passin' notes in secrecy
    And it was enchanting to meet you
    All I can say is I was enchanted to meet you"

    "Some enchanted evening, someone may be laughing
    You may hear her laughing across a crowded room"

    "Once you have found her, never let her go
    Once you have found her, never let her go"

    "This night is sparkling, don't you let it go
    I'm wonderstruck, blushing all the way home
    I'll spend forever wondering if you knew
    This night is flawless, don't you let it go
    I'm wonderstruck, dancing around all alone
    I'll spend forever wondering if you knew
    I was enchanted to meet you"

    "And night after night, as strange as it seems
    The sound of her laughter will sing in your dreams"

    "The lingering question kept me up
    2 AM, who do you love?
    I wonder 'til I'm wide awake"

    "My thoughts will echo your name
    Until I see you again"
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  2. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    Now, if you were an alien from another planet - or something -
    and somebody said: one of those two writers is the greatest songwriter of all time....

    How do you like my new truss rod cover?

    [​IMG]Meow by Mike Jones, on Flickr
  3. Rocker

    Rocker Forum Resident

    Ontario, Canada
    The cat on the right doesn't seem too happy about being held.... I'd gladly trade places with him! ;)
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  4. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    I'm the weird cat. There are two different kinds..
  5. Rocker

    Rocker Forum Resident

    Ontario, Canada
    Well, she certainly has enough singles and big hits to make up a GH album... a double-CD comp, at that!
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  6. Memph

    Memph Active Member

    Thunder Bay, ON
    A lot of fans think that if she does a GH album she'll either make it acoustic versions of past hits or remixes. She definitely has had songs that she's changed up in interesting ways, like Forever & Always Piano Version which mostly sounds sad compared to the angry sounding original. Or the acoustic version of State of Grace. Or the remixes of Love Story, We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I Knew You Were Trouble for her 1989 tour. I've seen many fans gain a newfound appreciation after hearing Gorgeous as an acoustic song from her Making of a Song series before Martin & Shellback added their touches.

    She could put out her next album of original songs soon after since there's less songwriting time involved and she could skip the touring so I don't think it would need to delay her next album by more than a year.

    If she wanted to give some of her old songs a music video and put that on a GH album that could help it sell copies too. I Know Places is definitely music video worthy. Don't Blame Me, I Did Something Bad and Getaway Car are all interesting music video concepts but I doubt she'll release all of them as singles this era.

    And I'm pretty sure she could throw in a few new songs on a GH album too?
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  7. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    As long as she keeps shaking her bum like Mick Jagger shakes his bum, rock 'n' roll will survive. We need to dance our way out of our constrictions. I believe in equal opportunity dancing.

    Memph, what's on your version of T.S. GH? For me: 1989 and REP. If she calls her next album FALCONS that would rule.
  8. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    There are two catty English women who troll Jennifer Lawrence and Jennifer Aniston in the “entertainment” section of a popular online newspaper: rhymes with Laguardia if you add an “n” at the end. What are the computers doing to human beings? IMHO people have tried to drive Taylor Swift over the edge. Some people like to play games with me.

    I wrote on the internet 16 years ago that I hate snakes. Other people might be able to handle the snake energy, in the same way T.S. handles a falcon. The Plains Indians were unusual, 95% of all of the indigenous tribes in North America were peaceful. They all loved snakes. I’ve killed snakes with my bare hands. That’s true. I’ve had several snakes bite me at the same time. That’s the honest to God truth. And Bill Maher, way above “pretty good.” OMGoddess.

    I should have never brought up Bill Maher on this thread. I think I hurt his feelings now. I meant all 20-somethings have OCD because of their computers. I’m totally out of threads, so I have to put all of this stuff on one thread..apparently... Good afternoon Hollywood, down my gaslight street....My life is in Hollywood’s hands. Why do we pick on each other, and why do the computers make us do it? I’m updating the truss rod cover btw. Will report back soon, hopefully.
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  9. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    A bunch of garden snakes bit me in some tall grass. I was stepping on them. The snakes reacted, then I reacted. Snakes don’t want to do that to me. You never say somebody looks “pretty good.” We’ve all become gossip columnists. You at least say “good” or “really good.” You should have said the latter. So here we are.

  10. Memph

    Memph Active Member

    Thunder Bay, ON
    I'd include a mix of her mainstream hits and some of her top album cuts.

    1. Should've Said No: Fun energetic song that's great to blast in the car. Most of the songs on her debut were co-writes, except for 3, one of those she wrote when she was 12 and the other two were her only #1s on country radio and my two favourites from her debut.

    2. Love Story: I'm not a teenage girl so this is not my favourite, but I still can't deny that as far as songs that cater to that audience go, this is really well done and can still get me moving and stuck in my head.

    3. Mean: A critic predicts that her career is over. Taylor writes and song about it and it wins her two Grammys. She sells it well in her live performances and music video too. She paints a pretty good picture with the lyrics in the verses and bridge too. Fun listen when someone's giving you a hard time.

    4. Back to December: This song caught me off guard when I first heard it as I was going through similar feelings but hadn't vocalized them the way she did. Before this I didn't listen to pop much (and definitely not country), but on the occasions that I did tune by car radio to the top 40, songs like Style and Blank Space were some of the few that actually stood out. However Back to December is the song that convinced me to check out what else she had.

    5. Dear John: She might accuse her critic of using words like knives in Mean but for a lesson on lyrical evisceration, look no further than this song. You can almost hear her rolling her eyes in the over-the-top poetic opening to the song. As the song progresses, it becomes clear it's not a 19 year old John should've known not to mess with, but someone with the willingness and ability to write songs like Taylor. You might initially think this song is going to be her complaining about how cruel he's been to her, but as she approaches the bridge it increasingly takes the tone of "don't you realize how much of a ********* loser you are? Why on Earth did I waste my time on you?" The fireworks for the bridge of the song were absolutely necessary in the live performances. Knowing the lyrics to Dear John feels pretty empowering as you now know how to give the verbal middle finger the way Taylor does.

    6. Enchanted: Really captures that feeling of insistently needing someone you just met to feel as strongly about you as you do about them. At almost 6 minutes in length I'm not surprised that she decided not to release it as a single but I wouldn't want it to be a second shorter.

    7. State of Grace: Her and her producer's first attempt at making this kind of rock song. Hopefully not the last. I love the way the song builds and how it's powerful without being overpowering. What's that word for when you use a word in a way that doesn't make sense in its context? "Pierce the room like a cannon ball" is my favourite example of that. Apparently this guy made an indescribably strong impression on her but you know she's still going to try.

    8. All Too Well: Great imagery at the start of this song as she's being nostalgic about the good times she had and she perfectly captures the anger of having your emotions messed with as your ex tries to provoke you into wondering you might have that back when the logical part of you knows that it's clear that there's a reason why the relationship ended. And after letting out that anger she realizes how sad it's all left her.

    9. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together. Someone thinks she might still get together with Mr. All Too Well, but she's finally gotten over him and this is a jubilant celebration of that. As someone else commented, the fact that the relationship's main problems were that the guy was flaky and was embarrassed about being with her with his friends is much more relatable than the sadistic psychopaths described in other artists' songs... even if she's embarrassing for reasons that are not quite so typical (being an artist that sells out stadiums when the guy's friends think someone who's sold more than a dozen records is already too mainstream). But often those relationships can be quite heartbreaking because it's harder to hate the guy and you're left questioning yourself wondering if you're doing the right thing pushing him away and not giving him another chance even though it's clearly not working.

    10. I Knew You Were Trouble: Seems like this song has a mixed reception here but I think it's really catchy, and the chaotic sound of it matches the theme of the song.

    11. Begin Again: My favourite of her country songs

    12. Shake It Off: Not her most high-brow song but still really fun and catchy. Don't take it too seriously and maybe you can enjoy it as much as Taylor enjoys dancing awkwardly at concerts and award shows. It's her most popular song and pretty iconic, and does a pretty good job of encapsulating that part of her personality that cares more about having fun even if makes her look kinda silly.

    13. Blank Space: Am I into crazy possessive girls? I'm not sure but I'm really into the lyrics in this song. Maybe it's just that I'm a little insane myself. My favourite pop radio hit of the decade.

    14. Style: I love the melody at the start of this song. I was born in 1991 so I'm not that familiar with the 80s music this record allegedly took inspiration from but this song somehow feels very nostalgic. Maybe it's because her voice feels a bit echoey like she's singing through a tunnel connecting you to an alternate reality where it's the 80s again?

    15. New Romantics: How did this become a bonus track? Well at least she doesn't have it in a drawer, even now. My favourite Taylor Swift song changes every couple weeks but right now, this is it.

    16. Don't Blame Me: Remember Taylor from her 2010 ACM performance of "Change" with her choir singing "Hallelujah" and her 15 second note? The choir chants are back here and she's showing how her vocals have evolved since then in a display of passion for a certain someone. "My name... is whatever you decide, but I'm... just gonna call you mine" - okay Taylor.

    17. Delicate: Very chill and dreamy, which it kind of needed to be after the first 4 bombastic songs on Reputation. By the time I get to the second half of Delicate I'm usually moving to it the same way as Taylor is in her Making of a Song video for it.

    18. Dancing With Our Hands Tied: Love the verses and the shouts as the song climaxes in the last minute or so. Listening to it puts me in a certain state of bliss...

    Other successful singles: Picture To Burn, Tim McGraw, Our Song, Teardrops On My Guitar, Fearless, You Belong With Me, White Horse, Fifteen, Mine, Sparks Fly, Story of Us, Ours, Red, 22, Everything Has Changed, Wildest Dreams, Out of the Woods, Bad Blood, Look What You Made Me Do, Ready For It, End Game
    -the ones in bold would probably have to be included in a GH album just because of how iconic they are, regardless of how much I like them. Our Song, Mine and Wildest Dreams are my favourites from those 7. I also like Fearless, Sparks Fly, Story of Us and Red quite a bit.

    Other album cuts I really like: Forever & Always, Hey Stephen, Last Kiss, Haunted, Speak Now, Treacherous, Holy Ground, Sad Beautiful Tragic, I Know Places, You Are In Love, Clean, King of My Heart, Getaway Car

    I think that some of the changes she made for live performances made the songs even better. I like the bell intro for Haunted and the 1989 tour versions of I Knew You Were Trouble, We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and Out of the Woods more than the originals.
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  11. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    I can say all this because I have moves like Jagger. I have hawk hands for the snakes in the grass. Falcons are essentially little hawks. Within Taylor’s music I think she can command the animals at will. I’ve never hurt animals, or even reptiles — in general — just that one time with the snakes.

    Imagine stepping on a pile of snakes, literally “in the grass,” within a mixture of tall green grass and dry, clumped grass. I stepped on a swarm of snakes. I was wearing floppy sandals and shorts in the summertime. It seemed like those snakes could fly. The snakes propelled themselves through the air. I had maybe seven or eight snakes drawing blood from both of my legs. I ripped their teeth out of my flesh.

    I was standing there with two fists full of snakes. I must have thought against throwing angry snakes around, so I started smashing the snakes. That really happened. And this is also a place within the magician’s realm from REP. Some look to the realm of power animals. I don’t judge others. I see the cross and dead snakes. And then I also see the scorched earth. And the old-time religion was respectful of all creatures. It was good enough for Peter. It will do when the world’s on fire. I accept that the metaphysics of power animals have existed within minds since time immemorial. There’s still only one God.

    I have always hated snakes. They make my skin crawl. So that’s how polerizing all the snake imagery can be. Good thing there are no polar snakes. Frozen snakes would be the absolute worst. I can see that Taylor has the ability to charm snakes. I think that’s as far as all the snake imagery goes with her. But she can totally control them. Bring on the falconry! ⚡️
  12. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    I bought the puffy stickers. But I probably wouldn’t want one of those snake rings. Even though Taylor has cool merch in general. I like the cat sticker. I wouldn’t wear a snake ring, even if I was shaking my bum like Jagger one night. I’m not trying to mix any metaphors here. And that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t wear snake rings if they want to. It’s just that everything about “the snake” gets reactions out of people. Many have a visceral dislike of snakes who follow Judeo-Christian theology. I think Taylor wanted to challenge her audience with all the snake stuff. Jesus crushed the head of the snake after it bruised his heel.

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  13. bluesky

    bluesky Forum Resident

    New Stuff.

    nuff said
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  14. Scopitone

    Scopitone Inveterate Skipper

    Denver, CO
    You could call it. . .Lilith Fair.
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  15. Garthb

    Garthb Well-Known Member

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!
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  16. ralph7109

    ralph7109 Forum Resident

    Franklin, TN
    From 2006 - 2012, I believe Swift was one of the best lyricists of a generation.
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  17. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England

    I was once banned from my own Miley Cyrus thread for suspicions of proselytizing. And I was also banned from an entire website recently on the grounds of conspiracy to commit witchcraft or something....
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  18. Peachy

    Peachy Duke of The Lake

    Old La Honda
    She got three releases for record store day coming....
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  19. Scopitone

    Scopitone Inveterate Skipper

    Denver, CO
    How's that piano key necktie business working out for you?
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  20. Remote Control Triangle

    Remote Control Triangle Forum Resident

    Las Vegas
    She's a great marketer. Her singing/songwriting skills are one thing, but her marketing prowess is probably genius level.
  21. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
  22. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Thread closed for obvious reasons.
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  23. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England
    We’re back! I just want to say thanks to the mods. I know this is a weird thread. And without revealing too much of what the mods said behind closed doors: One of the mods didn’t even know Taylor had done all this stuff with snake imagery in the first place — understandable if you don’t follow Taylor Swift. I had to provide him with this link:

    Taylor Swift and snakes: The backstory - CNN .

    So if you were to look at this thread, without a sense of context, and just see the cats and the snakes and everything, you might think: wtf? And that’s exactly my point: Snakes freak people out!

    I’m not going to use the “J” word again. I’m not proselytizing. Thank you mods, for letting me say that once — in context — to describe why some people have visceral reactions whenever a “snake” appears.

    If the “J” word does offend you, think of the thread this way: Google Image Result for https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1325008422l/366640.jpg. :D

    I will say it again: I know I’m a weird host. “There are two kinds of cats.” All T.S. Fans are free to discuss Taylor on this thread. I’m mostly interested in REP and 1989. But please don’t let anything on this thread scare you off — including me — feel free to post about the old Taylor, or the new Taylor, here on The Taylor Swift Appreciation Thread.

    Without further ado, I bring you the latest installment of ‘What if Bob Dylan and Taylor Swift had a conversation?’:

    You come around and the armor falls. Pierce the room like a cannonball...

    It pierced me to the heart.

    Loving him is like driving a new Maserati down a dead-end street.

    Going 90 miles an hour down a dead-end street....

    This slope is treacherous. And I, I, I like it.

    I and I, in creation where one's nature neither honors nor forgives.

    It's like a kaleidoscope of memories.

    The memory of you keeps calling out to me like a rolling train.

    Autumn leaves falling down like pieces into place.

    Won't you meet me in the moonlight alone?

    It feels like a perfect night for breakfast at midnight.

    It's soon after midnight, and I don't want nobody but you.

    I bet this time of night you're still up.

    On a night like this I can't get any sleep.

    I say, "I hate you," we break up, you call me, "I love you."

    Situations have ended sad... Relationships have all been bad.

    I'm pretty sure we almost broke up last night.

    I still brings me a chill...

    You break my heart in the blink of an eye, eye, eye.

    Why don't you break my heart one more time. Just for good luck.

    I left a note on the door with a joke we’d made....

    Trying to read a note, somebody wrote...

    She's not a saint and she's not what you think.

    She ain't no angel, and neither am I.

    I stood right by the tracks, your face in a locket.

    Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy.

    I stay out too late, got nothing in my brain, that's what people say.

    We're idiots, babe. It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.

    Silence, the train runs off its tracks...

    I'm walking with you in my head.

    Now it’s big black cars, and Riviera views.

    Good car to drive after a war.

    No, nothing good starts in a getaway car.

    Got a hopped up Mustang Ford!

    And a circus ain't a love story.

    The beauty parlor is filled with sailors, the circus is in town.

    Baby, you're losing it.

    Maybe they'll get me, maybe they won't. But not tonight and it won't be here...

    'Cause all I know is we said, "Hello," and your eyes look like coming home.

    To my home, Lord, to my home....

    Lord, save me, my drug is my baby.

    I'm crying to the Lord. I'm tryin' to be meek and mild.

    When you started crying, baby, I did too.

    I'm on the fringes of the night fighting back tears that I can't control.

    And I lived in your chess game.

    I love you more than money and more than the stars above.

    I met Bobby on the boardwalk, summer of '45.

    I'm a fool to want you.

    He didn't like it when I wore high heels.

    I've made shoes for everyone, even you, while I still go barefoot.

    But I can't believe you made me sit at home and cry like a baby.

    There is a place you go, where teardrops fall.

    They said love was complicated.

    Love is just a four letter word.

    I do recall now the smell of the rain.

    I'm leaving in the morning. Just as soon as the dark clouds lift.

    But you'll come back each time you leave.

    To seek a kiss, not mine alone...

    You can plan for a change in weather and time.

    But that lucky old sun has nothin' to do....

    Are we out of the woods yet?

    I can still hear his voice crying in the wilderness.

    But the monsters turned out to be just trees.

    The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach...

    When you started crying baby, I did too.

    I'm a fool to hold you.

    I can still feel your arms.

    Sleepin' in the woods by a fire in the night....

    I remember how we felt sitting by the water.

    I keep thinking about you, baby. I can't hardly sleep.

    I don't know how to be something you miss.

    Time and time again I said I'd leave you.
  24. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    New England

    I want to mention “Delicate” — that’s a song by Taylor Swift, just in case anyone is reading this thread and they don’t know what’s going on. Btw Troggy, you hurt my feelings by liking the post.

    Anyway, I love listening to “Delicate,” especially in the car. There’s a video out there, and it’s the ‘The making of “Delicate” video.’ I think I can only post one video per post...

    Well, ‘The making of “Delicate” video’ rocks. Taylor is lounging in a room full of keyboards in the video. She does the vocal in hushed whispers. And then they take her voice and make it come to life on the keyboards. What do you call that thing, where they take somebody’s voice and turn it into synthesizer sounds? That whole thing in general is an interesting process....

    “Delicate” is great in the car, when I’m thinking of delicate situations, and I want to be in delicate places. It’s my ‘quiet time’ song. The song is very calming. Makes sense that she whispers the vocals... The ‘making of’ video is great....... look on the YouTube...
  25. augustwest

    augustwest Forum Resident

    los angeles, ca
    Don't really know much about her music but she seems to be one of the few in the music industry that has any backbone anymore.
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