The All Purpose Rainer Werner Fassbinder thread

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Solaris, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. LeBon Bush

    LeBon Bush Hound of Love

    German Fassbinder blus are often missing english subtitles, that's what I referred to :)
  2. TwentySmallCigars

    TwentySmallCigars Forum Resident

    Gotcha, thanks!
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  3. jwoverho

    jwoverho Licensed Drug Dealer

    Mobile, AL USA
    I had the Criterion Alexanderplatz box several years ago (which I sold) and have the Second Sight on order (which stretches the program over 4 discs, instead of the Criterion's 3 discs.

    Fassbinder's creativity and productivity packed into his 37 years is pretty staggering.
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  4. TwentySmallCigars

    TwentySmallCigars Forum Resident

    The Second Sight set got a more favourable review on DVDBeaver, which is why I went with that one. I've never watched the Criterion version.
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  5. stepeanut

    stepeanut Has Anybody Seen My Love?

    It’s the superior edition, without doubt. And, unlike the Criterion, it runs at the correct frame rate.
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  6. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

    Britain, Europe
    Very big fan. I’ve almost all of his films, with the notable excerptions of Lilil Marlene and Querelle.

    I’m not sure why Bergman has such a reputation for being a ‘downer’ filmmaker; Fassbinder, imo, is far, far bleaker.

    Martha (1974) may be the most horrifying mainstream film ever made. I don’t think I could watch it again - far too disturbing and bleak.

    Personal favourite is probably The Merchant Of Four Seasons. That one’s also pretty bleak.
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  7. TwentySmallCigars

    TwentySmallCigars Forum Resident

    Bergman is another director that I have done a marathon viewing for. I had only seen three or four of his films but picked up the Criterion box because it looked impressive (and I wasn't disappointed). I acquired the few other films missing from the box and over the course of a couple of months, watched everything chronologically.

    Last week I told a friend that the long-awaited Fassbinder Vol. 3 was imminent and I was ready to start my next marathon. His comment was 'Bergman was too upbeat for you?'.
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  8. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

    Britain, Europe

    I've seen most of Bergman. I don't think his reputation for being sunk in gloom is entirely deserved. He made plenty of comedies, especially early in his career. Shame was the only one I can recall finding unrelievedly bleak.

    Fassbinder also had his 'lighter' moments, but they were very few and far between - even a 'comedy' like Satan's Brew is fairly disturbing.
  9. jpmosu

    jpmosu a.k.a. Mr. Jones

    Ohio, USA
    Just curious: what Bergman films are missing from the box set?
  10. TwentySmallCigars

    TwentySmallCigars Forum Resident

    • It Rains on Our Love (1946)

    • Music in Darkness (1948)

    • Prison (1949)

    • This Can’t Happen Here (1950)

    • Mr Sleeman is Coming (1957) TV Movie

    • The Venetian (1958) TV Movie

    • Rabies (1958) TV Movie

    • Storm Weather (1960) TV Movie

    • A Dream Play (1963) TV Movie

    • Don Juan (1965) TV Movie

    • The Misanthrope (1974) TV Movie

    • Face to Face (1976)

    • Hustruskolan (1983) TV Movie

    • Dom Juan (1985) TV Movie

    • The Blessed Ones (1986) TV Movie

    • Madame de Sade (1992) TV Movie

    • Backaterna (1993) TV Movie

    • The Last Gasp (1995) TV Movie

    • In the Presence of a Clown (1997) TV Movie

    • The Image Makers (2000) TV Movie
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  11. jpmosu

    jpmosu a.k.a. Mr. Jones

    Ohio, USA
    That is WAY more than I would have guessed! Thanks.
  12. Saintbert

    Saintbert Forum Resident

    Günter Lamprecht, the actor who played arguably the biggest role in all of Fassbinder filmography, died October 4 at the age of 92, German media report on Friday. He had smaller roles in World on a Wire, Martha and The Marriage of Maria Braun and then in 1980 played the role of Franz Biberkopf in the series Berlin Alexanderplatz.

    Beyond film roles like one in Das Boot, he was also a distinguished actor in the theatre and the German television, most notably in the Tatort series and even appearing in Babylon Berlin.

    Lamprecht was born in Berlin, January 21, 1930.

    With Fassbinder and Hanna Schygulla on the set of Berlin Alexanderplatz:

  13. SirCandy

    SirCandy Forum Resident

    I actually find there is a strong streak of humor running through quite a few Fassbinder films ( if not most ). When you think of Fassbinder films you don't think " Boy was that guy funny "- but he actually WAS quite funny. Granted, the films are bleak but if you look past the façade you'll see the humor. " Martha " is both terrifying AND hilarious to me- but maybe that's just me. Fassbinder is like David Lynch ( or maybe Lynch is like Fassbinder ) in that the humor is often absurdist and/or very dark humor interlaced between the grotesque and terrifying ( sometimes done in a real deadpan manner ).

  14. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

    Britain, Europe
    You may be right! But I don't think Martha is a film I could watch again seriously disturbed me, partly because its central thesis (that people conspire in their own downfall, sometimes actively working towards it) is so terrifyingly plausible.
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  15. SirCandy

    SirCandy Forum Resident

    Fair enough.
  16. Jamsterdammer

    Jamsterdammer The Great CD in the Sky

    Málaga, Spain
    RIP Gūnther Lamprecht. An amazing actor. His portrayal of Franz Bieberkopf is one of the absolute highlights in cinema and TV for me. Now I feel like watching Berlin Alexanderplatz again.
  17. Makarova

    Makarova Active Member

    I've seen many of Fassbinder's films; Effi Briest is my favorite. So coolly staged, so beautifully photographed, and of course there's the sublime Hanna Schygulla. Those cheekbones! Always wished she would have played the lead in Sophie's Choice.
    Despair is also up there for me.

    I remember back in the day a NY cinema --I think it was at the Lincoln Plaza Cinema--was showing Berlin Alexanderplatz onscreen, a couple of episodes a day... I attended the first day's showing. After that it was sold out and I never did get to see it onscreen. But I've since seen episodes on video. He was truly a master filmmaker.

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