The Beatles' "Rubber Soul" - Putting together the proper tracklist

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  1. schnitzerphilip

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    That's the wrong version of the album. That one follows the moptop formula of 1963 not the concept formula of 1967. It's why the American version of the album is the one that is the most beloved and inspired an entire generation of musicians.
     
  2. Evethingandnothing

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    If I were to take two tracks off of the UK version to include the single it'd probably go like this:

    SIDE 1:
    1. Drive My Car
    2. Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
    3. You Won't See Me
    4. Nowhere Man
    5. Think for Yourself
    6. The Word
    7. Michelle

    SIDE 2:
    1. We Can Work It Out
    2. Girl
    3. I'm Looking Through You
    4. In My Life
    5. Wait
    6. If I Needed Someone
    7. Day Tripper

    I generally like Ringo songs but find What Goes On to be one of the weakest. Run For Your Life is ok, but Day Tripper is miles better. If I kept Run For Your Life I'd probably remove The Word. I think later on they did better songs on that theme.
     
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  3. simond9x

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    If they'd followed "the concept formula of 1967" in 1965, they would literally have been years ahead of their time.
     
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  4. notesfrom

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    Very warm sounding vinyl… though some crackling.
     
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  5. Keith V

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    You’re a genius
     
  6. schnitzerphilip

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    And that's precisely what Capitol Records did for Rubber Soul.

    Took off the "beep beep yeah!" teen moptop dance track, check. Took of the obligatory Ringo dud track, check. Added two moody acoustic folk tracks, check. Went straight after the college Simon & Garfunkel crowd, check. Made an epic, Earth-shattering concept album out of another (yawn) Parlophone version of With The Beatles and Help, check.
     
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  7. waterisnat

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    I see, you're now not only letting four-year-olds write your posts for you, you're also having them practice their cut & paste skills on label scans from your record collection. Too bad they don't know how to spell Paperback properly.
     
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  8. John Harchar

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    But...there is no "wrong" version. There's a UK and US version. If anything the US one is "wrong" because it uses tracks from other albums, but it's an album people have grown to love over time. Same with the UK one, people love that one and don't want to see it changed.

    Me, I take the UK version, stick WCWIO and Day Tripper as tracks 3 and 4 (keeps the Paul/John back and forth that way) and have Michelle "start" side 2. Great sounding and flowing album. Going back and doing it the Capitol way is just too confusing with the whole soundtrack situation(s), Y&T forgetting I'm Down, etc.
     
  9. schnitzerphilip

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    I may not agree with some of your song selections, but any attempts to cut up and correct the UK Rubber Soul is okay in my book.
     
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  10. sami

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    No. First, the Beatles clearly didn't intend RS to be a "folk" record, regardless what some folks at Capitol thought. So why recreate it as one?

    Paperback Writer / Rain is a brilliant double A-Side which should be left as it is.

    You guys want to recreate classic records with every song being an epic. Damn, just leave them and those amazing singles be.
     
  11. John Harchar

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    I already "used" the other songs on Help!
     
  12. John Harchar

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    Paperback Writer between I'm Only Sleeping and Love You To and Rain between I Want To Tell You and GTGYIML is a nice listen.
     
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  13. Evethingandnothing

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    Hold the release for four months and have this:

    SIDE 1:
    1. Drive My Car
    2. Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
    3. You Won't See Me
    4. Nowhere Man
    5. Think for Yourself
    6. Paperback Writer
    7. Rain

    SIDE 2:
    1. We Can Work It Out
    2. Girl
    3. I'm Looking Through You
    4. In My Life
    5. Wait
    6. If I Needed Someone
    7. Day Tripper

    Michelle and the other tracks can be an EP.
    Then hold the release of Revolver a few months and include Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane instead of Dr Robert & Good Day Sunshine.
     
  14. sami

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    Maybe so, but it isn't Revolver then, it's a mix tape tou made.
     
  15. All Down The Line

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    Well in terms of claiming them to be an American band the first four points (at least) are completely irrelevant.
     
  16. Just plain craziness...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
    I understand where you are coming from but to me, those Capitol-butchered Beatles albums track sequences are so odd and their sound quality is normally inferior to the UK pressings!.
     
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  17. schnitzerphilip

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    That's exactly the point.

    The Beatles were so busy carving out a month from touring to pump out another (yawn) formulaic Christmas release that they couldn't see what Dave Dexter Jr. could- that Rubber Soul, with some smart tweaking, could be the album to save themselves in America. Bob Dylan and the folk scene were turning all those 15 year old 'yeah yeah' moptop kiddies into 17 year old beatniks and putting out Rubber Soul in the Parlophone configuration would have been career suicide.
     
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  18. schnitzerphilip

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    Yellow Submarine ruins Revolver. Paperback Writer in its place saves it, makes it an all-time epic long player.

    And "Classic Records" are the Beatles problem until 1967. All their early works, including Rubber Soul, were sucked into the Official Beatles Martin/Epstein Formula Vortex which said that no matter how great the album could be, let's ruin it by a) taking the singles off, b) putting a hideous Ringo song on, and c) forcing Lennon and McCartney to bang out bad filler tracks just to hit a quota. Rubber Soul and Revolver are ruined by elements of this approach. At least the US got Rubber Soul right.
     
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  19. schnitzerphilip

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    If we all make the same corrections to Rubber Soul and Revolver, it becomes canon. Think about it.
     
  20. Evethingandnothing

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    Well, if the Beatles had gone on to be a folk rock band then fair enough, but they didn't and never were. I like the rock'n'rollers on Rubber Soul just fine. Indeed, they'd be sorely missed by me if they weren't there.
     
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  21. John Harchar

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    Fully Loaded Revolver, works for me :D.

    If you think this is bad, you oughta see what the Stones albums look like on the iPod...
     
  22. hoggydoggy

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    With the greatest of respect to the most frequent poster on this thread, but I've never read such tosh in all my life (though his Billy Preston hatred comes close...)
     
  23. schnitzerphilip

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    Pressings? Everyone streams now.
     
  24. Obviously, we are not on the same page. We just have to agree to disagree.
     
  25. simond9x

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    What a load of revisionist rubbish. You mean in the same way that The Stones, Cream, The Yardbirds, The Who, Spencer Davis and all the other British bands went 'folk/rock' to avoid their own career suicides?
     
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