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The big comparison of Iron Maiden CD masterings

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by oldschool, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Inspired by Roland's thread on the various CD masterings of Piece of Mind, here goes a new thread to cover all other IRON MAIDEN albums.

    I say we start with the S/T Iron Maiden by collecting EAC levels from various CDs: original EMI UK, Capitol UK, Japanese 1st CP32 and 2nd CP28 pressings, Japanese TOCP, EMI UK / Castle US 2CD sets, W. German pressings, etc.

    I will be putting tonight the EAC levels for the S/T from my CP32 and Castle CDs, if somebody doesn't do it first.

    Any comments about listening impressions are also welcome :wave:
     
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  2. bigmikerocks

    bigmikerocks Forum Resident

    up the irons!!!!
     
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  3. Maidenpriest

    Maidenpriest Setting the controls for the heart of the sun :)

    Location:
    Europe
    You have the CP32's covered, but tonight would you like me to stick the EAC's up of the original EMI (2nd only to the CP32's)?
     
  4. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    Phil, I say let's get all versions posted here.
     
  5. Maidenpriest

    Maidenpriest Setting the controls for the heart of the sun :)

    Location:
    Europe
    Ok, what do I need to do I have never done an EAC log before, I use EAC, is it just a case of copying and pasting the log when I find it into this thread, or does it involve something more complex?
     
  6. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Run EAC, select all tracks and say 'Test selected tracks'. It gives you the levels in the log, just paste them here, along with the track names. No need for the whole log.

    How about we also give matrix numbers / country of origin? Weren't there some EMI CDs made in Holland and not UK? Or are they all made there, but released for the UK market?
     
  7. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Did a table tor the CP32 and Castle of Iron Maiden, waiting for you to post the following info from other pressings as well:

    1. CD catalog number/label
    2. Song names with EAC levels
    3. CD duration hh:mm (as shown in the EAC bar)
    4. CD country of manufacture
    5. CD matrix info
     
  8. Maidenpriest

    Maidenpriest Setting the controls for the heart of the sun :)

    Location:
    Europe
    Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden (1982)

    EMI CDM 7 52018 2
    Stereo ADD CD-FA 3121
    Total Time: 0:37:39.35 (hour/min/secs)
    Matrix No. CDP 752018 - 2 AR 1
    MADE IN THE UK

    OC of the extracted CD

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.33 | 3:55.20 | 33 | 17677
    2 | 3:55.53 | 5:27.60 | 17678 | 42262
    3 | 9:23.38 | 3:17.05 | 42263 | 57042
    4 | 12:40.43 | 7:20.50 | 57043 | 90092
    5 | 20:01.18 | 4:05.12 | 90093 | 108479
    6 | 24:06.30 | 5:46.15 | 108480 | 134444
    7 | 29:52.45 | 4:12.55 | 134445 | 153399
    8 | 34:05.25 | 3:34.43 | 153400 | 169492


    Track 1

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\01 - Iron Maiden - Prowler.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 3279CE6B
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [E4A71621]
    Copy OK

    Track 2

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\02 - Iron Maiden - Remember Tomorrow.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC ECDF0140
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [4750B683]
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\03 - Iron Maiden - Running Free.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC A1DBBFC9
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [302451F6]
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\04 - Iron Maiden - Phantom Of The Opera.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 6F684F5A
    Accurately ripped (confidence 23) [1ED4FB1B]
    Copy OK

    Track 5

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\05 - Iron Maiden - Transylvania.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC CE4C561F
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [E19366BC]
    Copy OK

    Track 6

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\06 - Iron Maiden - Strange World.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 3F362FDE
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [AE65E61D]
    Copy OK

    Track 7

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\07 - Iron Maiden - Charlotte The Harlot.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 58E13A78
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [8D8F0C9E]
    Copy OK

    Track 8

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Phil Simpson\My Documents\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\08 - Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC 64FCEECD
    Accurately ripped (confidence 24) [E9170F7A]
    Copy OK


    All tracks accurately ripped

    No errors occurred

    End of status report
     
  9. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Thanks, here are the results so far on the S/T.

    If somebody also has the Capitol, W.German, Japan CP28 & TOCP or UK 2CD set, post them here!

    Keep 'em coming!
     

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  10. has anyone tried to match to "masterings" against eachother with the phase reversed.....ie, tried to get cancellation. if one mastering cancel's against t'other then they must be the same no? rather than whatever the rippinng software tells you.no?
     
  11. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Sure, but for that reason you must have both masterings ripped on your drive. It's probably easier when everybody contributes the levels from his CD and we compare them in this table.
     
  12. Great idea for a thread!

    I'm not up on all the various CD pressing variations but I have the S/T EMI CDM 7 52018 2 and it's on the "Fame" label.... not sure if all the originals were part of the "Fame" series?

    Regardless, I just checked EAC and the peak levels are identical to the EMI listed above.
     
  13. i understand that, but what if say a uk cd, and a japanese cd of the very same recording are at different levels.
    say the uk engineer brought the level down by 0.5dB (dbfs) as the japanese cd showed an over level (more than 1 or 2 consecutive samples at full scale), his source was the japan master. he therefore brings the level down a touch, so that his master has no overs. now you have the same thing, but a 1/2 db lower. your rippeing tool would give you info saying they're different, but they're really exactly the same recording and "mastering".
     
  14. Bosco82

    Bosco82 Forum Resident

    Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
    Capitol
    CDP 7 91415 2 L9C11F
    DIDX 4006
    Manufactured By Capitol Records, Inc
    Made In USA

    TOC of the extracted CD

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.00 | 3:55.67 | 0 | 17691
    2 | 3:55.67 | 5:29.60 | 17692 | 42426
    3 | 9:25.52 | 3:17.73 | 42427 | 57274
    4 | 12:43.50 | 7:09.20 | 57275 | 89469
    5 | 19:52.70 | 4:06.52 | 89470 | 107971
    6 | 23:59.47 | 5:44.63 | 107972 | 133834
    7 | 29:44.35 | 3:14.42 | 133835 | 148426
    8 | 32:59.02 | 4:13.08 | 148427 | 167409
    9 | 37:12.10 | 3:35.05 | 167410 | 183539


    Track 1

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\01. Prowler.wav

    Peak level 89.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 3F0A16F6
    Copy CRC 3F0A16F6
    Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [6B32ADF0]
    Copy OK

    Track 2

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\02. Remember Tomorrow.wav

    Peak level 93.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC B3AFA941
    Copy CRC B3AFA941
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [D1EDB9A9]
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\03. Running Free.wav

    Peak level 94.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC A96B7B32
    Copy CRC A96B7B32
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [8A2647F5]
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\04. Phantom Of The Opera.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC D81F48A6
    Copy CRC D81F48A6
    Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [06191EE4]
    Copy OK

    Track 5

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\05. Transylvania.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC B8F8620F
    Copy CRC B8F8620F
    Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [F72E65EF]
    Copy OK

    Track 6

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\06. Strange World.wav

    Peak level 95.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 11C8908E
    Copy CRC 11C8908E
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [2047948D]
    Copy OK

    Track 7

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\07. Sanctuary.wav

    Peak level 97.8 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 433A5AC5
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    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [4E6A0020]
    Copy OK

    Track 8

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\08. Charlotte The Harlot.wav

    Peak level 84.3 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC DD9322BF
    Copy CRC DD9322BF
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [C4208E9A]
    Copy OK

    Track 9

    Filename C:\Music\Iron Maiden\Iron Maiden\09. Iron Maiden.wav

    Peak level 97.8 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 5282DC51
    Copy CRC 5282DC51
    Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [6AE0E67A]
    Copy OK


    All tracks accurately ripped

    No errors occurred

    End of status report
     
  15. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    The Fame series are a different release than the original UK 1st pressings on EMI, so I believe your CD should enter the table.


    Well, technically bringing the levels down is considered a mastering move, isn't it?

    Clearly the best indication would be through listening and cancelling files in a wave analysing software, but that would not be easily accomplished.
    That's why I'll stick to comparing peak levels, its better than nothing. Also, as I said earlier, any listening impressions and comments are welcome.
     
  16. some engineers would claim so

    p.s i like tape hiss as well....its whats missing from digital
     
  17. Maidenpriest

    Maidenpriest Setting the controls for the heart of the sun :)

    Location:
    Europe
    Wasn't Fame the original releases, I have yet to see an Iron Maiden or Killers Cd original not on EMI/Fame, the Fame label was introduced for Maiden vinyl in 1982, clearly years before a Cd release??
     
  18. If I remember correctly, I prefer the US Captiol CD mastering of the self-titled debut over the EMI family of masterings (I think the EMI family of masterings are all related, i.e. are derived from the same original analog to digital transfer).

    I think that the Castle 2-CD set has the same mastering as the original US Capitol version.

    I have to check my versions at home.
     
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  19. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    According to this list, no.

    According to this, yes.

    Btw, that 2nd link is awesome, never knew about it. Has tons of CD releases with full scans.
     
  20. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss Thread Starter

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Update
     

    Attached Files:

  21. Javimulder

    Javimulder New Member

    Location:
    Spain
    Good thread!
    I have all the EMI 2CD sets, and I'll gladly contribute the info for what it's worth...
     
  22. Maidenpriest

    Maidenpriest Setting the controls for the heart of the sun :)

    Location:
    Europe
    Did EMI do 2 Cd's sets?, I thought that was Capitol/Rawpower ?
     
  23. Just want to add that the 'Fame' S/T CD has an identical matrix # to the UK EMI in the table above.
     
  24. Javimulder

    Javimulder New Member

    Location:
    Spain
    Here comes my EAC log for the first album... and you can all learn a bit of Spanish in the process! :D


    IRON MAIDEN / Iron Maiden

    EMI 7243 8 35868 2 0
    UK: CDEM 1570
    MATRIX: 836033 2 @ 1 / 1-1-3 NL
    Manufactured And Distributed By EMI
    Made in Holland

    Total Time: 0:37:39.35


    Pista 1

    Nombre de Archivo 01. Track01.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
    Test CRC DCE2B6D2
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [EAF939C1]
    Copia OK

    Pista 2

    Nombre de Archivo 02. Track02.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
    Test CRC 020E1907
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [5D076D0E]
    Copia OK

    Pista 3

    Nombre de Archivo 03. Track03.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 99.9 %
    Test CRC D3F115B4
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [6618672C]
    Copia OK

    Pista 4

    Nombre de Archivo 04. Track04.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 99.9 %
    Test CRC 7759716B
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 5) [F254C841]
    Copia OK

    Pista 5

    Nombre de Archivo 05. Track05.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
    Test CRC DD23E1D3
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [D9DA43BB]
    Copia OK

    Pista 6

    Nombre de Archivo 06. Track06.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
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    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [B0D96116]
    Copia OK

    Pista 7

    Nombre de Archivo 07. Track07.wav

    Nivel Pico 93.3 %
    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
    Test CRC 53AC423C
    Extracción precisa (nivel de confianza 4) [87725CBD]
    Copia OK

    Pista 8

    Nombre de Archivo 08. Track08.wav

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    Calidad de Pista 100.0 %
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    Copia OK


    Todas las pistas extraidas de modo preciso

    Sin Errores

    Final del Informe
     
  25. CybrKhatru

    CybrKhatru Music is life.

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Sweet....I have the original US Capitol CD. :)
     
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