The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Bill Cormier

    Bill Cormier Forum Resident

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    Yeah, I saw the debut of "That Would Be Something" at one of the Boston Garden Shows, took me awhile to realize what the song was as it was so out of context for me (and I have owned the album it is from for 45 years !).
     
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  2. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

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    One of our current loads is due in Tuscaloosa this week - thanks for the reminder of what to play! :)
     
  3. jazz_case

    jazz_case Forum Resident

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    Once at Boston Garden in 1991 and that was it until three performances in 1993 (6/7 Michigan, 9/17 MSG, and 12/11 San Diego). At the time I prided myself on staying up to date on things but I have to admit being pretty damn confused when they went into it at the San Diego gig. (it became more frequent in '94)
     
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  4. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    Back in the mid-'80s not only those, but also Wake of the Flood, From the Mars Hotel, Blues for Allah and, less tragically, Steal Your Face were all out of print. MoFi put out a vinyl copy of Mars Hotel that I picked up at the time, very expensive to me at the time but the only way of getting it. By '87 or '88, at least all of the studio albums had been reissued on CD. (Side note, Reckoning was only available with terrible packaging/name as For the Faithful, I still have that version as my vinyl copy).
     
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  5. Bill Cormier

    Bill Cormier Forum Resident

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    Re;Reckoning was only available with terrible packing/name as For the Faithful, I still have that version as my vinyl copy).[/QUOTE]
    Right, and on Pair Records confusingly enough !!
     
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  6. jazz_case

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    A cassette of "For the Faithful" (paired with a WB two-fer cassette of "Workingmans/American Beauty") both handed down to me in the mid-80's were my proverbial bus-stop.
     
  7. adamos

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    I too was exposed to Reckoning via a For The Faithful cassette purchased in the late 80s. I guess hidden treasures can be unearthed at suburban shopping malls. :)

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  8. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

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    Latvala always insisted that fall 77 was superior to spring 77. I saw many shows that year, and agree whole heartedly. The best Estimateds, Truckins, Peggy-O's, Terrapins, and my favorite Black Peter in October at Tempe.
     
  9. SBegonias17

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    Finishing the evening with 2/26/73. A gem of a show from early '73. This is a subsequent listen, and I'm digging it more than I did the first time through.
     
  10. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    The second half from 2/28 ain't nothin' to sneeze at. The Jack Straw kicks it. And then it ramps up in a big way.
     
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  11. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Forum Resident

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    I remember liking 2/28 more the first time through, I’ll see if that holds when I listen to it later today.
     
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  12. Jim Walker

    Jim Walker Senior Member

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    This one and the one before it, the second Garcia (or Compliments).
    Mississippi Moon from Garcia sure is a weird song.


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  13. AlmanacZinger

    AlmanacZinger Zingin'

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    Literally just walked in from my mailbox where I received the Golden Road set this morning. Already had the SACD of AB, and a couple others but I'm too lazy to buy them individually when this set is supposed to be just fine. (But is that without or without the HDCD conversion?)
     
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  14. JRM

    JRM Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Compliments is my favorite Jerry studio album, but the alternate take of Mississippi Moon, without horn and strings, is much better I think...

     
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  15. posnera

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    I'll listen to the alternate take, but Mississippi Moon is one of my favorite things ever recorded in the studio by Garcia. Great instrumentation. Who uses a bass clarinet? Genius.
     
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  16. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    The HDCD’s in the Golden Road box do not utilize HDCD features and do not benefit from HDCD decoding
     
  17. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    I think one of our resident recording technology experts, @bmoregnr, said that Jeffrey Norman uses HDCD because he likes the filters used in that process, not because of the encoding/decoding aspect, which he hasn't featured at all for a while because he wanted everyone to have the same experience when listening.

    I know of at least one audio manufacturer who's come out and said, in so many words, that the encode/decode process was much ado about nothing. But, full disclosure, I've never owned a CD player with HDCD decoding.
     
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  18. AlmanacZinger

    AlmanacZinger Zingin'

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    That's odd. Then why label them so?
     
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  19. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Independent Head

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    From a few weeks back:
    The one thing I'm still unclear about is which earlier Dead HDCD releases, if any, DO utilize the full array of HDCD grooviness and thus benefit from an HDCD player. For instance is it really true that the Golden Road box discs sound exactly the same on regular and HDCD players (as is stated above)? Norman seems to be saying he only stopped using peak extension sometime after the Complete Europe '72 came out in 2011.

    :shrug:
     
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  20. Mad Dog

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    The CD version was even minus 1 tune...Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie.
     
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  21. Mad Dog

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    Dude my home town...we could have met for lunch or something. It could have been....the most freaking awesome lunch ever!!!!:D
     
  22. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Dick's 35, 8/7/71 Golden Hall, San Diego, CA portion. Garcia's guitar part on "Mr. Charlie" sounds higher than usual.
     
  23. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    That’s because it was inconsistently applied prior to that. All the Dick’s Picks from 15 on utilized the features. Some of the Road Trips and Download Series did, but not all and there is no pattern I can discern. The early Dave’s Picks did, none since 2015 do. Both official release box sets (studio and live) do not. The live box set yearly releases up through 2014 did, even the ones sourced from 16/44.1 digital recordings (i.e., no possible benefit from Peak Extend, only losses for those without HDCD decoders).
     
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  24. Jim Walker

    Jim Walker Senior Member

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    It is a cool treatment by Garcia, but it throws me off when I revisit after
    a long layoff. But yeah, it is pretty good. Actually a lot of weird stuff is
    some of the best stuff. lol
     
  25. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Listening to that, yes, on those early 1971 versions Garcia is playing an upper harmony guitar part compared to Weir's part, while on Europe '72 they are playing in unison. Also in 1971 they usually mess up the timing coming back in after "Mr. Charlie told me so" while by Europe I think they get it right on every version.
     
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