The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    Oh, I know that; I was referring to some "sound guy" (to generally categorize where he was coming from) who stopped in for a cup of coffee a month or two ago and thought we were basically insanely unrealistic for expecting releases to be at correct pitch. He wasn't as nice as I am and I'm not particularly nice, for the most part.

    But sure, it's a possibility that everything was played at slightly sharp pitch, but we have issues from 1972 also, do we not? Keith was playing a concert grand at the time, and one would think that they'd tune to concert pitch. In '74, he used both the grand and Fender Rhodes (maybe others?). I don't know if the Rhodes has pitch adjustment like many electronic keyboards from the '80s on had, but I doubt it. In any case, given the languid tempos from '73, we still have pitch issues in terms of being sharp. '74 saw an uptick in tempos to be sure, but note really like '70-'72, so why would they tune sharp and play slowly? It makes no sense. Maybe that's the best argument for why they may have done it, I dunno.
     
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  2. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Yeah, you had me convinced and then twisted my mind again at the end! I always thought the electronic keys were the best argument that it was on pitch, but I don't really know much about those...
     
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  3. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Yeah that's definitely Mickey because he says something about his drum stick after that (although I didn't catch what; I'm pretty sure it's not Kreutzmann although I can't swear I even know what his voice sounds like now that I think about it)
     
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  4. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    :edthumbs:
     
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  5. pretty sure he said nothing faster than an eighth note
     
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  6. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Crap, I just looked at it and now I can't find the quote at all...I did CTRL-F for just about every term I can think of, including
    "nothing, faster, eighth, half, note". I have this crappy Dell computer I have to use right now while my Mac is in the shop and I can barely type on it so I am having a hard time navigating but I swear whatever he said must have had one of those words in it...
     
  7. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Someone needs to ask Weir and Lesh before it's too late what the band's relationship to concert pitch was in whatever era. I don't know that they could settle it, but someone needs to ask...
     
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  8. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    I'm listening to Nightfall of Diamonds right now, 2nd set--which of course will not include IWTYH, I've listened to that exactly once--as it was (grotesquely) happening--I'm always surprised how great this is, I expect to find it lacking after all the 1972 immersion. But it has its own thing going, Jerry's playing is sublime...I don't like the overall sound of the band as much, but oh well..and it's not as Midified as its reputation has it, it's relatively austere in that regard. Anyway, I think it is definitely better than finding a used Herb Alpert album at a Thrift Shop....which @Archtop most likely never said, given my track record recently of remembering his Dark Star pronouncements...on the other hand I don't see how I could have made something like that up!
     
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  9. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Jerry is playing the Wolf at that show. IWTYH, as performed that night, will tear your Heart Chakra open. It's also Bobby's birthday.
     
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  10. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Hay!

    Did you try Charlie's transfer of the SBD-MR? Although not pith-corrected it will be the most accurate portrayal of the pace of the show.

    On a related note, there was a fundraiser recently at LL to buy Joe B. Jones a new flac player with built-in pitch shifting capability for his work pitch correcting GD shows.
     
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  11. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    You're right - three years in a row of outstanding shows on 17 November. I hadn't even noticed!

    Go straight to The Other One from Albuquerque. It's as good as the Star from two days earlier. Don't worry about the December show on Dave's 26 - it's at the level of Dave's 22 (which I like, but I know you have said you're burned out on average '71 releases.)

    The other Jack from that show is amazing.

    This seems to fit neatly into what rbbert told us - shows from '73 and '74 played back at the "correct" speed are often off-pitch, as I recall, due to the machine they used at the time running slightly off speed.
     
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  12. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Funnily enough that's what's in my earphones right now...not for the first time tonight...
     
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  13. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Yeah, Jackaroe, Jack Straw, Deal to end the 1st set....crushing. Deal is about as good as it can be without the final guitar solo...when did they add that? One wants to say 1980 some time, right? I don't think it's very long after this show under consideration which, you'll recall, is 11/6/79...
     
  14. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    :tiphat:
     
  15. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Close on 40 years ago I had those 3 songs on a tape as filler, and I played that trifecta over and over again.
     
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  16. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Currently 1974-06-28....Let it Grow at the moment. Getting ready for the big jam...
     
  17. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Missoula Dark Star, then 3-4 hrs of sleep...
     
  18. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Downrange telemetry has tracked @bzfgt in orbit around Jupiter.
     
  19. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Location:
    Richmond, Virginia

    IWTYH is annoying in the middle of the long jams. who thought that was a good idea
     
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  20. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

    Location:
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    If it's on Relisten, I checked it out. I don't use sites that look like this: b.e.tr.ee.wtf? My life is already complicated enough. And, I have zero interest in pace of shows. I'm interested in the segments that interest me musically in a form that sounds the best and is as close to proper pitch as possible.
     
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  21. scoutbb

    scoutbb Senior Member

    Location:
    LA
    IWTYH?
     
  22. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Location:
    Richmond, Virginia
    I Will Take You Home
     
  23. JRM

    JRM Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Eugene, Oregon
    Listening to 11/29/66, night two of a four-night run at the Matrix (the last GD shows at the Matrix). The shows' poster features a somewhat dark pen drawing by the German artist Heinrich Kley.

    Kley was a German painter, etcher, draftsman and illustrator whose work had a major influence on the animated films of Walt Disney (Walt also collected Kley pieces). In 1966, Wes Wilson appropriated Kley’s drawing of two dancing turtles playing instruments in a poster for The Turtles at the Fillmore. Many years later, Stanley Mouse would "borrow" the same Kley image for the cover of Terrapin Station.

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    Grateful Dead Live at The Matrix on 1966-11-29 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive
     
  24. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    That was the first time I ever heard the song abd while not quite the last, I always skip it. On the night it was a little horrifying to be introduced to it in the middle of all that.
     
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  25. Eric S.

    Eric S. Forum Resident

    Location:
    Olympic Peninsula
    This. All my live shows are tagged this way, because how often do you think "I want to listen to a show from March" as opposed to "I want to listen to a show from 1972"?
     

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