The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's. But I don't think it's weird alone, although it was written as a finale.
     
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  2. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

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    I really like it out of Half Step for a change. Wish they did that a bit more beyond the early 80s :)
     
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  3. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    9 June 1976- Boston. Franklin's Tower encore.
     
  4. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Thinking about how Franklin's starts, I guess it could be weird standing alone, but I've never listened to any Franklin's that I found weird at the beginning. And is the weirdness structural or the result of expectation?

    edit: @warewolf95 what do you think of Jet Airliner without Threshold? Jet Airliner clearly, to my ear, can stand alone. Threshold obviously can't. But discerning Millerheads may disagree. But those people, man, they're just weird. I think they all live in Marin in the same house.
     
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  5. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    8 January 1979- MSG. They opened with .5 Step > Tower. Go listen, it'll blow yer mind.
     
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  6. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

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    For me I guess its out of expectation. The song, to me, feels like its meant to follow something else rather than be the start itself.
     
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  7. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Actually, I should amend what I said before... Honestly, as much 'Homework' as you guys have kindly given me, I have found that truly NONE of their songs 'Suck' There are styles, especially when for example I was checking out Road Trips 3 No. 2 I think from 1971, where there are huge amounts of 'Americana' or Countryish songs that aren't really my thing. BUT... I acknowledge that they are GOOD songs, fun songs, well done songs. Just not ones that I would go to the trouble of saving, cataloging, and playing regularly. I DID save some versions from that set of songs that I normally don't. Theses were the songs I saved from that set:

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  8. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    You are ready for the training.
     
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  9. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    That's still very much in the running for best post-hiatus Playin in the Band. One of the longest for sure.
    That Dylan vs. Hunter mythos quote was another passage I had marked (but didn't bother to copy down,) and he also had that one about Stella Blue in the book. I'm not surprised he would recycle some interviews and suchlike.

    The mythos thing is a great quote, I just had already done like 5 of them when I got to that one.

    Yes, I mean when they do Half Step>Franklin's, it's not like some intricate segue, 'rio grandio' just kind of flows to stop and then they start it. It could be anything.
     
  10. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Oh yeah, and FWIW, for some reason I rather liked this rendition of Jack Straw, a song that I normally skip...
     
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  11. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    That's how they get you.
     
  12. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Great, make me MORE paranoid, thank you! :eek:
     
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  13. DrLunchbox

    DrLunchbox Forum Deadhead #1604

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    But does he get all the way to plaid?
     
  14. tdcrjeff

    tdcrjeff Senior Member

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    One of the weaker Garcia-Hunter tunes that was in regular rotation, as far as I am concerned. I like the lyrics, it's the repetitiveness of the music that gets to me. FOTM of course has even fewer changes, but that has never bothered me.
     
  15. DrLunchbox

    DrLunchbox Forum Deadhead #1604

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    I was listening to some JRAD in the car today and they scored this particular show with Franklin’s. They start it with the outro/transition from Slipknot (the A to C, followed by a run from C# down to A, you all know the one), do that about 4 times and then get to the Tower. A great way to start a stand-alone Franklin’s, IMO.

    Also, if you’re familiar with the original Jet Airliner, you won’t think twice about Threshold. That Paul Pena record is one of my all time favorites. I wish he’d have put out more material.
     
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  16. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Wow, I didn't know that was a cover. I'm reading about Paul Pena now on wikipedia.
     
  17. DrLunchbox

    DrLunchbox Forum Deadhead #1604

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    Garcia plays pedal steel on ‘Venutian Lady’ on the New Train record - an all timer as far as I’m concerned.
     
  18. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    I swear I've heard the GD do that; it's pretty sensible, like ending fire on the mountain with the scarlet begonias riff.
     
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  19. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    I play that as | A // C | ///ege | (8va) e d | [a/c#/e] | (the final chord being an A Maj triad in second inversion). Phil and/or Bob probably play the c# b a line.
     
  20. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    I have no problem grooving to reggae tracks that I think some find monotonous, so maybe that’s the difference. But I really think of Fire and Franklin’s as crowd pleasers, and I’m part of the crowd. The guitar line in Franklin’s and the bass part in Fire are sounds I could listen to for a half-hour almost.
     
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  21. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    I felt that way once, I definitely soured on Franklin's Tower for a while. I since de-soured and finally sweetened, I feel they usually do a good job with the dynamics, which takes away from the fact that its like 15 minutes+ of the same thing. I also really like the words. But I can definitely be out of the mood for it. (In that regard it makes me think of the Allman Bros.)
     
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  22. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

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    If only a SDB would surface... man, that would be awesome!
    That PitB is epic!
     
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  23. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

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    NP:

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  24. SJR

    SJR Big Boss Man

    I've been listening and enjoying this one a lot this week . . .

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    Not sure how well received it is (was) or where it fits in the pantheon of live recordings?
     
  25. fishcane

    fishcane Dirt Farmer

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    I thought it was great that night
     

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