The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. adam_777

    adam_777 Forum Resident

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    I think the problem with Woodstock is that a band like the dead really doesnt work with an hour set. So much of what i love about their live shows is how they build momentum through a cracking first set and once you are in a proper place emotionally they take you on these strange exploratory journeys through the jams that can go in so many different directions before letting you down easy with a digestible rocking encore.

    At Woodstock, in part because of a short set time (compared to their regular shows) and delays due to technical issues i think the band was unable to build an adequate foundation with earlier songs to launch the later longer jams off of. The very punctuated set had no chance to warm up properly into those jams so neither band nor audience were fully where they needed to be to really take that experience into the realms they were capable of pretty much nightly at the Fillmores.
     
  2. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    They've pulled it off before, though, or since then they have anyway...there's that Arrowhead thing from 1978, and I seem to recall that Us Festival thing wasn't bad...I'm not saying you're not mostly right, though
     
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  3. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

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  4. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    The Airplane's Woodstock set is simply outstanding; IMO one would really be using some (aural) blinders to prefer the Dead's set.
     
  5. sami

    sami Mono still rules

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    Wurd.
     
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  6. sami

    sami Mono still rules

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    And I'd still take the '69-'71 Dead over any of them, and always over the Airplane. But those aren't favorites of mine, to be fair. Love CCR, but they are apples and oranges with the Dead.
     
  7. ratstack

    ratstack Forum Resident

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    I guess that helps explain why Bob would get so fired up.

    ... so i’ll blame the crowd for Bobs barking and screeching :)
     
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  8. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    On most nights, yes, me too. Not at Woodstock though.
     
  9. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    Rock Star Bobby loves it.

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  10. scribbs

    scribbs Resident Mockery

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    View From The Vault IV Soundtrack
     
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  11. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Well yeah, I wasn't saying that at all (and @rbbert I guess too, if that's what people took away from my post)

    EDIT oh you weren't even responding to me, I guess I'll leave this in case I be misunderstooded anyway
     
  12. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    It's kind of slow here tonight, what happened to going away for an hour and there are 4,00o more pages when I get back? Yes, I would complain about that also. It's a good night for me to be on SHF constantly though.

    I took a break and I'm still now listening to 1982-04-06. Anything good going on out there?
     
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  13. EProphet

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  14. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    OK: since no one else did, I figgered it out. On 10-18-74 the Dead played Cumberland for the last time until 1981. Jerry starts by just wailing out but then drops into the old riff before the vocals. They brought it back on 8/27/81, and Jerry is playing the new (fingerpicked, or else hybrid, I think) riff.

    Interestingly, on 8/30, Jerry starts with the old riff, then switches to the new riff....maybe he forgot for a moment, because the first one back three days prior is just the new riff.

    I'm not sure how common it is for him to play both after that, I don't recall him doing so in the late 80s but that would be a lot of checking.
     
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  15. rockinlazys

    rockinlazys Forum Resident

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    6/8/80- Boulder

    Uncle Phil's Band>
    Playing In The Band>
    Uncle John's Band
    * Extra jugs of "Strip and Go Naked" ...
     
  16. malfano

    malfano Forum Resident

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    Had to use a lot of store credit for these, but my oh my am I happy to finally own 'em. No bonus discs for the road trips, but Winterland June 1977 did come with it!
     
  17. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    I just got through watching Raising Arizona. One helluvan* entertaining film. It's hard to believe that was 32 years ago. I think I last saw part of it about 15 years ago.

    So, removing that absurdity from my mind might take two 1972 Dark Stars and call me in the mornings.


    * This should be a functional word; it actually works.
     
  18. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

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    still trying to get a road trips 3 number 3
     
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  19. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Yeah I really dug that movie last time I saw it, which was at least that long ago.

    While you were gone I did some important research (re: Cumberland Blues, see above). It's actually way easier to figure something like that out than it seems like it would be....
     
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  20. malfano

    malfano Forum Resident

    It’s so good! Wish I could afford the bonus disc
     
  21. JNTEX

    JNTEX Lava Police

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    From the Winterland box....11/11/73, finishing up disk 1.
     
  22. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

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    i am also missing that wall of sound road trips but its not as high on my must get list as the fillmore road trips
     
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  23. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    I pretty much worship the Coen brothers. Each time a new film of theirs is released it feels like a holiday.
     
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  24. JNTEX

    JNTEX Lava Police

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    As I read, Janis was backstage during the dead's set....bummer she did not sit in for lovelight.

    I don't mind the dead's woodstock set for what it is....as far as dead sets go for that year, sure, it's not par, but it's still an enjoyable listen in context.

    Now, Johnny Winter's set....
     
  25. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    1982-04-06 Other One is only 2.5 minutes long and this is really weird because they didn't just get distracted or something, Weir sings both verses. And it's not part of a trend at the time; the prior one (4/2) is around 9 minutes long, the next one (4/9) about ten...I wonder why they decided to do this. It's really good, too!
     
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