The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. dsdu

    dsdu Forum Resident

    Santa Cruz, CA
    "No one knows about that day or hour......"
  2. notesofachord

    notesofachord Cousin Caterpillar

    You know that part where the lead guitar plays a dark and sharp acidic solo? That was actually this guy, who was guesting on stage during that part of the show:

    John Cipollina
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  3. Archtop

    Archtop Amon Soft Agitation Dead Crimson Cow

    Now try the Ally Pally version from DP 7 (9/10/74). It's much better. It's the best.

    And I would opine that the best disc of The Closing of Winterland is Disc 1, not Disc 4. Paying attention to set lists is misguided, grasshopper. The recording of Closing of Winterland is indeed better than that on DP 7, but don't be mislead. There's true power in that 9/10/74 NFA.
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  4. bzfgt

    bzfgt Interesting and Copacetic Denizen

    New Jersey
    Zounds! Are you softening on Western, sky-god book religions?!
  5. Crush87

    Crush87 Forum Resident

    New York
    are you the new @warewolf95
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  6. bzfgt

    bzfgt Interesting and Copacetic Denizen

    New Jersey
    For lo, the emails do not arrive. And when they do arrive, they soweth confusion amongst the Heads...
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  7. ratstack

    ratstack Forum Resident

    Pittsburgh, PA
    Yes, the first part of the show is where it’s at. Check out the dvd too, lathe.

    Setlists are meaningless in Deadland.
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  8. dsdu

    dsdu Forum Resident

    Santa Cruz, CA
    Road Trips Vol.4 No.1 Big Rock Pow Wow

    “Orange sunshine” acid was everywhere.”

    • Road Trips Vol. 4 No. 1—Big Rock Pow-Wow ’69 Features Two Complete Shows from the Seminole Indian Reservation in Florida Held on May 23 and 24, 1969

    • Three Months After Live Dead and a Month After the Midwest Shows Immortalized on Dick’s Picks Vol. 26

    • With Owsley (Bear) Stanley and Timothy Leary in Attendance, Spirits Were High

    • Pristinely Recorded by Bear Himself

    • The Band Is on Fire, Particularly Jerry Garcia and Pigpen (on Two Half-Hour Renditions of “Turn On Your Lovelight”)

    • Features the Classic Period “Dark Star”/“St. Stephen”/“The Eleven”/“Turn on Your Lovelight” Sequence

    • A Rare Rendition of “He Was a Friend of Mine”

    • Also Includes “St. Stephen” Coming Out of “Drums” for the Only Time During Its 1968-1971 Incarnation
      • As Live Dead so eloquently attests, the Grateful Dead just might have been the best live band in the world during the year of 1969, so any release of material from that period is a (Dead) head turner. This release captures two complete
        concerts held at the Seminole Indian reservation in Florida on May 23 and
        24, 1969, three months after Live Dead and a month after the Midwest shows immortalized on Dick’s Picks Vol. 26. With both Bear (who recorded this show in his usual meticulous fashion) and Timothy Leary in attendance, it’s safe to say that there was something in the air at both shows; Jerry Garcia’s riffage is about as raw as it ever got, and the trademark period sequence of “Dark Star”/”St. Stephen”/”The Eleven”/”Turn on Your Lovelight” is particularly charged, with a nearly half-hour “Lovelight” shining very brightly indeed. Show two starts with another half-hour but very different “Lovelight,” as Pigpen slowly turns up the heat, followed by the rare “He Was a Friend of Mine,” “Alligator,” and another “St. Stephen” (flying out of “Drums” for the only time during its 1968-1971 incarnation) among other treats. Great graphics, too, with notes by Blair Jackson and a reminiscence by Tom Constanten.

        CD 1

        MAY 23, 1969

        1. Hard to Handle
        2. Dark Star
        3. St.Stephen
        4. The Eleven
        5. Turn on Your Lovelight

        CD 2

        MAY 24, 1969

        1. Introduction
        2. Turn on Your Lovelight
        3. Doin’ That Rag
        4. He Was a Friend of Mine
        5. China Cat Sunflower
        6. The Eleven
        7. Death Don’t Have No Mercy

        CD 3

        1. Morning Dew
        2. Me and My Uncle
        3. Yellow Dog Story
        4. Alligator
        5. Drums
        6. St.Stephen
        7. Feedback
        8. We Bid You Goodnight


  9. Archtop

    Archtop Amon Soft Agitation Dead Crimson Cow

    Yep, and see if you can pinpoint when Jerry starts seeing and tasting colors. It might be earlier than I thought:

  10. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    OOOOOOOOOOOH, no wonder... I KNEW I hadn't ever heard Jerry play that way. Thanks Bro... Still, an amazing performance.
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  11. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    And, actually, now that I think about it, the guitar DID sound like an SG. That was my very first guitar. Looked and sounded nice, but a REAL bugger to play...
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  12. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    I'll check it out, thanks! I DID really like Fire on the Mountain on Disc 1, along with a few other songs. I haven't listened to Disc 4 yet, but yeah, just going by the fact that I generally like those songs quite a bit better.

    Ah, in checking I see that DP 7 is not just the concert of that night. The set lists vary between what has for that 'night' and what is on the release. The specific night has DS as 31 minutes, but on DP7 it has a version listed as 24 minutes. The NFA though is listed as about 16+ minutes on both, so it is likely the same version.

    I have up through DP12 as of now, so I will make a point to listen to the NFA on DP7, thanks!
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  13. footlooseman

    footlooseman Forum Resident


    Unusual Occurrences in the Desert

    “And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the Sky with flame
    And might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way”
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  14. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Thanks kindly Bro, but I must strongly disagree. If ya don't like the songs, then the setlist is indeed pertinent. As I've stated, I do not waste my time on songs that I don't like. Disc 1 of that show is very good, but contains several songs that I do not care for, so that does matter to me. But again, although I haven't listened to it yet, I generally DO very much like the specific songs on Disc 4 a lot more.

    I can tell by many of your comments that I've read so far, you are one of the 'completest' Deads here who like to take in entire concerts. Unless I like most of the songs in a concert, I do not. So, although I know you are giving me advice based upon a LOT more experience than I have, my taste in and approach to the Dead is completely different from yours.

    But, thank you though! :tiphat:
  15. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Now THIS sounds like a lot more up my alley! :D

    I was tryin' to figure out which release was the Big Rock Pow. Now I know... RT 4-1 Thanks mate!
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  16. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Yes, absolutely! I was so overwhelmed by NFA that I forgot about FotM! Yes, indeed, that is probably quite honestly THE best version of that song that I've heard so far. Jerry's playing is just phenomenal! I like that smile he has on his face while he's playing and he's not ever looking at the fretboard. Amazing! I really love that effect that he uses on the guitar so much, especially in a lot of the post Terrapin concerts. Yeah, his leads in this FitM are quite amazing. Sometimes there are so many dang good songs that you get kind of lost!
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  17. Archtop

    Archtop Amon Soft Agitation Dead Crimson Cow

    Comparing the track times from Internet Archive and an official release is a hopeless undertaking. You need to listen to both to decide if one corresponds with another. And you are confusing 12/31/78 with 9/10/74. You have bzfgt syndrome. :nyah:
  18. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    I'm sorry, didn't you refer to this, 'Now try the Ally Pally version from DP 7 (9/10/74)."? You wanted me to compare the NFA on DP 7 with the one I was raving about in the 12/31/1978 version from the Closing of Winterland, right? I do have Dick's Picks 7, so I will check out the NFA on that one. I was just noticing that for that specific night showed what appears to be a different version of DS with a very different duration, that's all. If I am misunderstanding something, please do let me know.
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  19. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Yeah, the entire Closing of Winterland was quite exceptional, really. The Terrapin>Playing was very good. And on Disc 4 the DS>TOO>DS>St. Stephen was pretty darn sweet. Jerry really got crankin' throughout, especially on the first DS. An excellent set!

    Next up... (probably tomorrow) Stepping Out... Should be good. I really don't have very much from 1972, so this should be a good example of it.
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  20. footlooseman

    footlooseman Forum Resident


    910 is celestial aural splendor a contender for one of the best shows of the year just by having one of the few stars the same can be said for the latter more singular though less cerebral show .There was a recent contest with it being one of the candidates what did the electric college determine?
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  21. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Just finished Disc 1 of Steppin' Out. It didn't strike me as anything special. Competent, but not especially inspired.

    BUT... then I got to Playin... and suddenly Jerry just frigg'n EXPLODED onto the scene! His playing and the use of the Wah pedal was the best I've heard him play so far. As I had mentioned before, it doesn't seem like he uses it very much, and when he does only slightly. But, this time he was SMOK'N! Usually his style is very smoothly going up and down the scales fairly rapidly with nice expressions in between, and he is very good at that. But, from all the stuff I've heard so far, this was the first time where he frigg'n ATTACKED the damn thing! Now, THAT is what I like in guitar playing.

    I mean, don't get me wrong... I very much do like all the beautiful scaling and lovely improvising, especially in some of the truly transcendent Dark Stars and Estimated Jams. Some of those literally transport you to other Realms, believe me. But that works primarily on more of a Spiritual/Cerebral level. This style here, is at the other end of the playing spectrum. Where it literally reaches into your Soul, grabs you both by the heart and by the balls (which with me takes a bit of doing...) Less Jazzy and 'Pretty', but with just pure F'n intensity! This is what I personally am looking for when I want to hear Blues playing. On this rendition, he concentrated on far fewer notes, but MUCH more intensity, where you could really feel it!

    Quite different from what I normally hear him play. Also, I really thought that his use of the Wah was very effective. He played furiously through it closed for the most part (closed means with the pedal up muting the high frequencies, right...?) which gave it a very strong 'pent-up, ready to burst out' feeling that I really liked. And, then with perfect expression he would open the Wah just at the right moments to heighten the intensity. This song really caught me off guard because up to that point I wasn't really moved much by the rest of the disc. But, WOW, I feel this was one of his very best intensely raw and genuine soloing where there was absolutely NO doubt that he was totally into it.

    Didn't care much for Disc 2...

    Going on to Discs 3 & 4...
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  22. markp

    markp I am always thinking about Jazz.

    I'm guessing this has been posted before. My wife showed it to me this evening for the first time.
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  23. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    I've never seen this... Dude, I thought she was THE cutest thing ever! I was so frigg'n in love with her man...
  24. latheofheaven

    latheofheaven My Pants are FULLY Analog...

    Nice pair of TOO's on Disc 3.

    Funny, for the life of me I cannot figure out WHAT the hell happened to the El Paso in between them...???

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  25. Freebird

    Freebird One in a million

    Scarlet Begonias from Dick’s Picks Vol. 25 is swell. May ‘78.

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