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The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. davmar77

    davmar77 I'd rather be drummin'...

    clifton park,ny
    I know the dead had a relationship with charles lloyd and I wonder how having them share a stage affected Phil and the rest like when they did shows with miles in 1970.

    Here's an interesting article I came across with lloyd.

    Charles Lloyd, a tireless jazz sax legend at 82, talks music and hanging with Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead
  2. GuidedByJonO)))

    GuidedByJonO))) Forum Resident

    I just went and asked my wife where she got it and she confirmed she bought it direct from Mad Apple and it got here super fast. So another tip of the hat towards going to them direct.
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  3. That’s one the best posts on the thread in a while.

    Good stuff.
  4. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    I believe the only bass player Phil ever mentioned as an influence was the *great* Scott LaFaro, who passed at far too young an age.
  5. davmar77

    davmar77 I'd rather be drummin'...

    clifton park,ny
    I was thinking if anyone might have influenced Phil it would have been him.
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  6. No. It’s one of the seven words that you can’t say on TV SHTV.

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  7. Wait until he enters his “industrial metal hip-hop” phase at age 13.

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  8. GuidedByJonO)))

    GuidedByJonO))) Forum Resident

    Haha, right now his tastes consist of KISS, "Fire on the Mountain", weird skit songs that are popular from Roblox and radio pop.
  9. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Forum Resident

    Great description.
    Yes a lot of Jerry's style is rooted in melodic and thematic development. Some of it was a nod to classical composers in the way he constructed the variations.
    He had things that he did to give the band a signal that he was ready to return to the song such as hitting more chordal tones and repeating lines.
  10. profusion

    profusion Forum Resident

    Sounds like my house. My 8-year-old goes nuts over Roblox songs and loves to sing really wrong lyrics to "Franklin's Tower."

    My 5-year-old, on the other hand, really likes "China Cat Sunflower" and now recognizes the Steal Your Face logo and says "That's the Grateful Dead."
  11. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Forum Resident

    Listening to this old friend today.
  12. sami

    sami Mono Rules

    Down The Shore
    That certainly makes sense.
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  13. sami

    sami Mono Rules

    Down The Shore
    Some here might be interested that Billy Strings is playing the same six night stand at the Capitol Theatre that the Dead played 50 years ago. Damn, if the world wasn't turned upside down we would have been there for at least a couple of them.

    FANS and The Relix Channel on Twitch have partnered with Billy Strings for ‘The Deja Vu Experiment,’ a six-night livestream event that will take place at Port Chester, N.Y.’s legendary Capitol Theatre. The streams will take place Feb. 18-21, 23 and 24. The dates were chosen to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead’s February 1971 performances at the venue, which took place on the same exact dates.

    At the shows in 1971, the Grateful Dead conducted ESP Experiments, which consisted of “prompting Deadheads in the audience to focus on imagery shown by the band and telepathically send the imagery to a test subject.” (Quote via the event’s description.) A virtual version of such an experiment will be conducted during ‘The Deja Vu Experiment.’

    The first and final nights of the event (Feb. 18 and 24) will be streamed for free on The Relix Channel on Twitch. The remaining nights (Feb. 19-21, 23) are available for pay-per-view on FANS. A portion of the proceeds will go to The Rex Foundation and to Backline.

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  14. Mr. Rain

    Mr. Rain Forum Resident

    Jerry was a Charles Lloyd fan for sure. Lloyd sat in with the Dead a couple times (like at the Human Be-In) and Jerry asked Lloyd to play with the Dead at the Rock Garden shows in early 1967. They were thinking of working together more, but it didn't happen.
    Jerry's mom also went to see the Dead at those Rock Garden shows. She hadn't seen them before, Jerry's brother had to talk her into going: "she liked easy-listening music, she didn't want to know about rock & roll." But she liked it and asked Jerry, "How do you get the guitar to sound like a horn like that?"
  15. birdstrike

    birdstrike Flyin’ High

    ...oh, wow. Really interesting Sugaree from 4/29/77 Palladium (Download Series 1). Nice polymoog-synth from Keith alternating with piano, while Jerry explores anything and anywhere on this one. Starts out mellow and lazy, and builds to a great, crashing crescendo. A truly unique version.
  16. sami

    sami Mono Rules

    Down The Shore
    You beat me to it.
  17. sami

    sami Mono Rules

    Down The Shore
    Thanks. That's the route I'm going.
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  18. Oscillation

    Oscillation Maybe it was the doses?

    There are vinyl releases to be had?
  19. sami

    sami Mono Rules

    Down The Shore
    2/27 and 2/28 have been released as 4-LP sets limited to 9000 copies. 2/28 can still be found at reasonable prices, but 2/27 is a bit pricey now. I lucked into a sealed one here in the Classifieds recently.
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  20. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

    Right, and if he was listening to Ornette Coleman, he also would've been well aware of Charlie Haden. From listening to Coltrane, he would've known Jimmy Garrison, Reggie Workman, and Richard Davis (who also played on some famous Eric Dolphy records and tons of other sessions--and Astral Weeks). From the Charles Lloyd Quartet, he'd have been listening to Cecil McBee and Ron McClure. From Miles, Ron Carter, Paul Chambers, Dave Holland, etc. Of course, Mingus himself. I'm sure that his ideas were well-informed by a variety of jazz bassists.
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  21. This is true.
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  22. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag Way up in the middle of the air.

    Pacifica, CA
    Cool. Obviously from someone’s tape collection here.
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  23. Does it take him 15 minutes to build it? If so, it’s just too much for what is essentially a two chord song.
  24. Talisman

    Talisman Forum Resident

    Super slow version of Morning Dew from 9-21-74. Very interesting. The whole show has a very mellow vibe to it and is a bit sloppy in place. Other than DiP 7 I haven't checked out much of this Europe tour. Any recommendations?
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  25. BMac19

    BMac19 Forum Resident

    9/18/74 Parc des Expositions

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