The Kinks - Album by Album (song by song)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mark winstanley, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. jethrotoe

    jethrotoe Forum Resident

    United States
    Speaking of Neil Young and The Byrds…

    …The Byrds’ cover of Young’s “Cowgirl in the Sand” sounds A LOT like some of these Dave Davies songs that we’ve been discussing over the last few days:

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  2. Scottsol

    Scottsol Forum Resident

    Evanston, IL
    What ties these together is that Creeping Jean echoes Rainy Day in June with

    “Are creepin' to their doom”
  3. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I agree with this.
    I love some great singers, and I dislike some great singers.
    I love some vocalists, and I dislike some vocalists....

    One thing I have found with unusual vocalists, is if the songs are good enough I can get used to, and even enjoy the style and timbre of a vocalist I initially didn't like.
  4. skisdlimit

    skisdlimit Forum Resident

    Bellevue, WA
    And that might be just the case for many people with Neil Young. I suppose for some his "whiny" vocals are just too much, however great the song in question might be, but I prefer to characterize him as "unusual" as well, and again really thought I could hear his style presaged on "Rainy Day in June" (especially how Ray sang those opening lyrics - "A misty shadow spread its wings and covered all the ground"), which set the whole foreboding (but brilliant!) tone of this piece.

    Here is the song reposted for those who might have missed it the first time around in this thread, and a refresher for everybody else who previously "felt the rain": :winkgrin:

  5. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    I don’t think this is true at all. I know it isn’t for me. If it was true they’d be like Laura Nyro; maybe put out a few albums but rely mostly on other artists having hits with their songs.

    Neil’s delivery on Helpless or on Tonight’s the Night (“Early in the mornin' at the break of day
    He used to sleep until the afternoon
    If you never heard him sing
    I guess you won't too soon”)...
    who else can do that? So, yeah, vigorously (!) disagree.
  6. Steve62

    Steve62 Vinyl hunter

    The discussion of Muswell Hillbillies should be pretty good.
  7. Fischman

    Fischman RockMonster, ClassicalMaster, and JazzMeister

    New Mexico

    I don't want to hear anything sung by Steve Perry!. :D

    Now given Dylan's reach as a songwriter, a whole lot of artists have covered a whole lot of his songs.... and I invariably prefer the covers.
  8. palisantrancho

    palisantrancho Forum Resident

    Well, at least we can agree on Steve Perry!
  9. jethrotoe

    jethrotoe Forum Resident

    United States
    I wish Hendrix had lived long enough to do some sort of Dylan cover album, like what Bryan Ferry did.
  10. Wondergirl

    Wondergirl Forum Resident

    Massachusetts, USA
    Are You Ready?
    another new one to my ears. Very Dylan to lyrics and sound.
    I like it.
  11. Wondergirl

    Wondergirl Forum Resident

    Massachusetts, USA
    Creeping Jean
    I've long heard of this song,but never heard it until tonight.
    the chorus is an earworm. It gets into my head and won't leave. wow.
    I like it rawness. Still trying to get my head around it. but I think i approve.
  12. FJFP

    FJFP Host for the 'Mixology' Mix Differences Podcast

    Sorry I’ve been quite quiet after the opening couplet here, but outside if those killer couple of opening tracks, I’ve never felt that compelled by the Dave material here, especially due to it’s limited release. I agree that there’s a lot to like about Creeping Jean, but I don’t find myself reaching for it all that often (then again, Hold My Hand is paired only with You Still Want Me for Pye era 45s I lack in original copies). I might pop in again before the end, but likely I’ll chime in again once Plastic Man crops up.

    Thanks for making me really take note of that bass slide however! I for some reason relatively ignored it before, but now I realise just how good it is!
  13. Pawnmower

    Pawnmower Senior Member

    Dearborn, MI
    "This Man He Weeps Tonight" is a great rocker. The guitar and drums really stand out. I never thought about the Byrds while listening to it, but after @donstemple mentioned it, I can totally see that. They wouldn't rock like this, though. Lyrically, it's very straightforward. Not mysterious like "Susannah." It does the job. "The days have gone and past while dreaming away / The lighting here is dim, and the room closes in around me." Been there.

    "Mindless Child of Motherhood" is another outstanding jam. It has a great intro with that piano lightly doing it's thing. "I've been traveling a long time, to be just where you are" kicks us off in a new direction. My only issue with the song is I don't care much for the chorus. Not because I don't know what MCOM means exactly, but the rest of the tune tells a story and the chorus just seems like a diversion. Other than that, thumbs up.

    "Hold My Hand" is catchy in that you can easily sing it's chorus the first time you hear it. But do you want to? Dave kills it on the first two songs but the passion seems missing here. It's a gospel-y Procol Harum sound but his chorus vocal especially sounds weak and whiny. Not a confident vocal and not an interesting song.
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  14. Pawnmower

    Pawnmower Senior Member

    Dearborn, MI
    "Do You Wish To Be A Man" - This is my first time hearing this one. I like it more than 'Hold My Hand' but the chorus is just as repetitive as that one and MCOM. I don't hear Dylan, but I do hear early 60s folk. I can easily picture drunks singing this in a pub. The first verse after each chorus rhymes better than the second. It's not the worst, variety is good, but it drags.

    "Are You Ready" - This is another dull pub song that drags. And I'm noticing this trend where the choruses on this album are repetitive AF. However, the longing in his voice helps and this being placed perhaps at the end of the album like @Steve62 said, could improve things. You have to judge this one out of all other context. I'm a bit torn because I thought it was super boring but there's a vibe I like that is keeping me from being too hard on it.

    "Creeping Jean" is an average rocker to me. I don't dislike it, it just doesn't grab me like it does most of you. The "don't look back, it is too late, no story to be told" section is my favorite bit.
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  15. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

    It's a gestation oversight that can be easily forgiven.
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  16. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

    Interesting you say that as I hadn't noticed that line but something musically had reminded me of that song but I hadn't quite put my finger on it!
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  17. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I'm Crying.

    stereo mix (2:41), recorded 20 Dec, 1968 at Polydor Studios, London

    Are you loving him just the way,
    That I loved you when you walked away?
    Whoa, I'm crying, crying.

    Do you need him just the way,
    That I needed you when you left that day?
    Whoa, I'm crying, crying.
    Crying, crying.

    Do you think that he's so glad[?],
    Do you think he loves you so?
    Do you think that he'd be mad,
    If you never come on home?

    I'm crying, crying, crying.

    Now my days are spent in sin[?],
    Now that you are loving him.
    Whoa, I'm crying, crying.

    If you suddenly realize,
    That he's not the one to spend your life with,
    Whoa, I'm crying, crying.
    Crying, crying.

    Written by: Dave Davies
    Published by: ?

    I think this actually is just a demo, but I really like it, and I think it works really well in and of itself.

    If I remember rightly Dave said that this track goes a long way to tell you how he was feeling at the time all this was going down. I'm not sure if he means from the perspective that he was in a reflective mood about Sue and was actually crying, or if he means he was distracted and not interested...... but I think this comes over well.

    This is a pretty straight forward chord arrangement and I really like the vocal melody he puts on top of it.
    We open with a little guitar noodle, that actually reminds me a bit of Hendrix.... I don't mean in a thoroughly technical way.... I mean in the way it has an off the cuff noodling with success kind of feel and fits well as an intro.
    From there we move into the chord progression, again accented by a minor chord.
    In the background we have a sort of moaning backing vocal that works well also.
    We have an organ that changes between held chords and stabs and is also very effective.

    During the course of the song we get some really nice little guitar fills and I think they add a cool feel to the song.

    Not an essential Kinks/Dave track, but I really like it as a song, and I think it works well included on here.

  18. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Mr Reporter.

    recorded at Pye studios 3/69 and 6/69

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    How 'bout talking about yourself?
    Do you like what you're doing,
    Or is it that you can do nothing else?

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    I'll believe all that you put down.
    I'll believe the sun is going up,
    Even though it's going down.

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    Don't you twist my words around.
    I'll kill you, rather than let you,
    Distort my simple sound.

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    How 'bout talking about yourself?
    Do you like what you're doing,
    Or is it that you can do nothing else?

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    How 'bout talking about yourself?
    Do you like what you're doing,
    Or is it that you can do nothing else?

    Did your daddy stop you playing
    With your friends when you were young?
    And is that why you run down
    All the young folks having fun.

    The reason I am stupid,
    Is 'cause I read you every day.
    You misquote all of the true things
    Because it rubs you up the wrong way.

    Hey, Mr. Reporter,
    How 'bout talking about yourself?
    Do you like what you're doing,
    Or is it that you can do nothing else?



    Written by: Ray Davies
    Published by: Carlin Music Corp.

    First ...
    Dave re-wrote some of the lyrics for this version I believe, as they are slightly different.

    This starts off fairly similar to the Kinks version, but as it goes along it grows in density and we get a sort of New Orleans horn section come in and to me it adds a bit of swing to this track.
    I actually like the original, and I know a lot of folks found it a little one paced and the lack of a bridge, or change up put them off it a little. With this version we get little horn interludes, a nice key change ..... and of course Dave's vocal inflections instead of Ray's.

    I probably don't have too much to say here, as we have looked at this, but it is different enough to warrant another look. Personally I like both versions for different reasons and the swinging horns here certainly add a little bit colour.

  19. ARL

    ARL Forum Resident

    "I'm Crying"

    Another one I've not heard before - if it's meant to be a demo, it sounds pretty much fully-formed to me. Builds nicely, good hook, great guitar playing, decent vocals, doesn't outstay its welcome - what's not to like about this one? Sounds like a typical Dave track of the late 60s, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's a good candidate for the "prestigious" penultimate track slot on the album.
  20. Fortuleo

    Fortuleo Used to be a Forum Resident

    (I'm) Crying sounds like the rocking sequel to Are You Ready. The answer was yes, she was ready to move on with that other fellow, and now poor Dave's left alone cryyyyyyying. Pretty sad, especially when you think all he could do was weep at night, just a few songs ago… Musically, it follows a rather common drone-sy psychedelic template, somewhere between a few Bee Gees Revolver copycuts (like the sensational The Earnest of Being George, graced with Vince Melouney’s best guitar parts) and the Stones' Child of the Moon, of which it recycles some circular licks (heard around the 30’’ mark). But of course, this one is just a superb demo, with a rudimentary (but pretty effective) rhythm section, some strident organ and those double Dave vocals that hesitate between harmonizing and double tracking. I think the bridge' got the most poignant singing, much better than the draaaaaging title line. Overall, I'd say it works fine as a vintage artefact, making up for its lack of originality by undeniable gusto, swagger and conviction.
  21. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Reference guide

    Oct 1963 - Nov 1966


    Apr 1967 Mr Pleasant - Alt version - Beat Club - live - beat club - instr (whistling)
    This Is Where I Belong - Ray live - Ray with Francis Black

    May 1967 Mr Pleasant EP
    Mr Pleasant
    This Is Where I Belong
    Two Sisters - Ray live (with chat)
    Village Green - Instrumental - Ray

    My 1967 Waterloo Sunset - instr. - live 73 - Ray live 78 - live 94 - Ray and Damon Albarn - doco excerpt - Ray and Bowie - Ray live (Peter dedication)
    Art Nice and Gentle

    May 1967 Waterloo Sunset EP


    Jul 1967 Death Of A Clown - Dave Live - Dave live 2002

    Sept 1967 Something Else By
    David Watts - Live 84 - Dave live 97 - Ray live 2010 - Alt mono - alt version
    Death Of A Clown
    Two Sisters
    No Return
    Harry Rag - BBC - Ray 2010 - alt version
    Tin Soldier Man - Sand On My Shoes (original) - Alt backing track
    Situation Vacant - mono
    Love Me Till The Sun Shines - BBC - live 69 - Dave 97 - stereo
    Lazy Old Sun - alt version
    Afternoon Tea - German Stereo - Alt stereo - Canadian Mono
    Funny Face
    End Of The Season
    Waterloo Sunset

    Little Women backing track

    Dave And Ray interview sixties

    Echoes Of The World - The Making Of Village Green Preservation Society

    Oct 1967 Autumn Almanac - stereo - Top Of The Pops - live fan jam - Ray - breakdown

    Nov 1967 Sunny Afternoon LP

    Nov 1967 Susannah's Still Alive - stereo - video

    1967 BBC sessions - Sunny Afternoon
    Autumn Almanac
    Mr Pleasant
    Susannah's Still Alive
    David Watts
    Death Of A Clown
    Good Luck Charm

    Jan 1968 Live at Kelvin Hall
    Part 1

    Part 2

    Jan 1968 Wonderboy - video - Top Of The Pops - stereo mix
    Polly - stereo mix

    April 1968 The Kinks EP

    June 1968 Days - stereo mix - Glastonbury 2010 - live 1969 - video edit - Basil Brush - Alt stereo - Acoustic - 1991 EP version

    Aug 1968 Lincoln County - stereo mix - Dave live
    There Is No Life Without Love

    Colour Me Pop Medley

    She's Got Everything Promo film

    July 1968 Colour Me Pop - Dedicated Follower Of Fashion A Well Respected Man Death Of A Clown Sunny Afternoon Two Sisters Sitting By The Riverside Lincoln County Picture Book Days

    Nov 1968 The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society - the gold disc award
    The Village Green Preservation Society - Alt mix with studio banter - Live 73
    Do You Remember Walter - Euro Stereo - Backing Track - live 94
    Picture Book - real stereo - live 69 - live 73 - Ray 2011
    Johnny Thunder - alt mix - stereo - original stereo - Ray (+VGPS) 2008 - Ray 2010 - Crouch End Chorus
    Last Of The Steam Powered Trains - alt ending - live 69 - live 70 - Dave live
    Big Sky - alt stereo - live 69 - Crouch End Chorus
    Sitting By The Riverside - Stereo
    Animal Farm - alt stereo - Ray 2004 - stereo
    Village Green - alt vocal - backing vocal
    Starstruck - alt vocal - video - stereo - Ray 2008
    Phenomenal Cat - alt mix - stereo - stereo US link
    All Of My Friends Were There - stereo
    Wicked Annabella - stereo - Dave 97
    Monica - stereo
    People Take Picture Of Each Other - Euro stereo (big band) - stereo - live 73
    extra tracks
    Mr Songbird - stereo
    Berkley Mews - stereo - single mix
    Rosemary Rose - mono
    Misty Water - stereo - alt stereo
    Did You See His Name? - mono
    Till Death Us Do Part - stereo - Chas Mills vocal - Anthony Booth vocal
    Lavender Hill
    Pictures In the Sand - instrumental
    Easy Come, There You Went
    Egg Stained Pyjamas
    Mick Avory's Underpants
    Spotty Grotty Anna
    Where Did My Spring Go? - video
    When I Turn Off The Living Room Light
    Darling I Respect You
    Village Green At The BBC

    Waterloo Sunset
    Love Me Till The Sun Shines
    Village Green Preservation Society
    Animal Farm
    Last Of The Steam Powered Trains
    Picture Book
    Do You Remember Walter?
    Dedicated Follower Of Fashion/Well Respected Man/Death Of A Clown
    Picture Book
    Preservation Overture
    Ray in Denmark with the Denmark Choir And Orchestra
    Colour Me Pop

    1968 International EP's

    1968 Four More Respected Gentlemen

    Pete Quaife

    67-69 Dave Davies Solo Album
    This Man He Weeps Tonight - mono - acoustic
    Mindless Child Of Motherhood - mono - live 69 - BBC
    Hold My Hand - demo - mono - acoustic
    Do You Wish To Be A Man?
    Are You Ready?
    Creeping Jean - stereo - live 99
    I'm Crying
    Mr Reporter

    Rasa Didzpetris Davies

    Preservation Live

    Starmaker Tv Play
  22. croquetlawns

    croquetlawns Forum Resident

    I'm Crying - not too much to say on this one. For a demo it's very good. On the verses in particular, I can imagine Steve Marriott singing it.

    Mr Reporter - a good song made great, with Dave's version being much better than the original.
  23. ARL

    ARL Forum Resident

    I don't remember much about "Mr Reporter" from the first time we covered it, other than it didn't do much for me. This version is much better - more focussed, more driving, and the horns and the key change give it some extra colour. Feels to me as though it might have been intended as the album closer, which means that "Are You Ready" would have to be bumped to the side one closing spot.
  24. ajsmith

    ajsmith Senior Member

    ‘I’m Crying’: I like the sway and passion of this one even though it’s a bit on the slight side and doesn’t say much that isn’t already covered elsewhere in this batch of songs. A while back @Steve62 observed how ‘This Man’ was made more interesting by having the chorus switch to the 3rd person, but here we actually do get Dave singing about being in tears in the first person in the chorus. Middle 8 seems like a bit of an echo/retread of the bridge in ‘Got My Feet On The Ground’ from 4 years earlier melodically.

    Said it in the first discussion about ‘Mr Reporter’, but Dave’s 1969 remake is such a superior rearrangement to the 66 version, what with additions like the solo, key change, extra passing chord and horns etc sprinkling enough fairy dust over the track to really make it cook. If the 1966 one is a bit like early finger pointing folkie Dylan, this one is more like compactly garage-rocking 65/66 Dylan: in fact that plonking bass line particularly puts me in mind of ‘From A Buick 6’.
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  25. croquetlawns

    croquetlawns Forum Resident

    Is I'm Crying only available on Hidden Treasures?

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