I don't disagree. The received wisdom in all the cases people have discussed was settled relatively early in those bands' careers. People still make jokes about Ringo's drumming (e.g. "the second-best drummer in the Beatles") but he was not only bloody good but he was the perfect drummer for that band. The same can be said of John Bonham and Bill Ward: their stereotype was "power" but those guys had incredible feel/touch as well (people don't think of Sabbath for jazzy drum fills but they are all over their early albums). The Kinks became known for Ray's songs more than the playing. I would argue that Ray cast a shadow over the rest of the band so great that Mick and Dave didn't receive the recognition they were due. That false story about Jimmy Page doing the solo for YRGM turned lack of recognition into disrespect. On stage, Ray seemed happy to cultivate a garage band-type image - energetic but a little chaotic. I think that changed first with John Gosling, who was an excellent player and took pressure off the rest of the band live. That continued in the late seventies when they played bigger arenas. I watched Celluloid Heroes live 1979 yesterday - a polished and professional performance by all of them.