The Kinks - Album by Album (song by song)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mark winstanley, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Women entrepreneurs contribute nearly £50 billion in gross value added to the UK economy each year. I doubt they are all hookers and lap dancers .....
     
  2. Vangro

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    You're kind of missing the point that I'm specifically talking about the geographical location of the City of London - and the kind of business that is done there. Owning a factory that makes wellington boots in Worksop, or whatever, is not what I'm referring to. Also London and the City of London are two separate entities.
     
  3. All Down The Line

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    Quant.
     
  4. Luckless Pedestrian

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    I was also confused by "Impaled", as I've only encountered it in the sense of being run through by something; but I looked it up and was surprised to see the original definition of impale is to encircle with a fence - so Ray had his dictionary out, as any great poet would!
     
  5. GarySteel

    GarySteel Bastard of old

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    I like this song.

    9 for 9 it is then.

    Peace out.
     
  6. Luckless Pedestrian

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    That's a great point, prior to studying the lyrics, the style of the music had lead me to assume that Holloway Jail must be located somewhere in the American South!
     
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  7. Vangro

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    Good discovery. I still think Ray was looking round for a rhyme and 'impaled' works poetically because if you're impaled you're going to be in pain and not going anywhere for a while!
     
  8. Luckless Pedestrian

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    Perhaps the narrator of the song is the mother or father of the incarcerated child, unable to protect her after she ran off to the city, in the Big Black Smoke sense.
     
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  9. Luckless Pedestrian

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    Absolutely, it's a fantastic word choice poetically as it evokes pain and suffering in addition to being incarcerated, while locking up in a tight rhyme with "Jail".
     
  10. All Down The Line

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    Holloway Jail

    Being a massive blues & blues rock fan this is likely the most enjoyable song the album has revealed to me thus far.
    Yes as discussed the band were now more authentically playing the genre than in years gone by but i don't think a few obvious points have been made about this.
    Firstly more maturity & the experience that goes with it.
    Secondly a different bass player and also now a fulltime keyboard player.
    The whole band has a cool groove and Dave again does not come up wanting.
    The riff reminds me of so many things such as Jeff Beck's Plynth (particularly live) and Cold Chisels Shipping Steel to name but two.
    It's been stated upthread but I feel that whatever the merits of the lyric here the music seems to render it to be of secondary importance and I am carried away by all around entertainment as it should be and not looking hard for clever lines or storytelling twists in an effort to want (or need) to feel more endeared with the creation


    There's been some talk here and there of the Stones but really it is most apt with this track.
    Ray says his baby is no longer a lady as life is just hell in jail and you feel impaled.
    We don't know more but innocence and naivety are gone as is possibly trust, hope and perhaps even the thought of a relationship with a man in view of what's happened and there is no likelihood of it here but very possibly strong pressure to about face.

    N.b. I noted with interest that for a period in the 19th century Holloway Jail housed both female and male prisoners.
     
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  11. ajsmith

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    Goddamn! That never even occurred to me all this time! Makes total sense!
     
  12. donstemple

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    Hot off the press, folks:

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    From the man himself. DavEEs.
     
  13. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    Ah! I did not know this. Thanks.
     
  14. mark winstanley

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    Always has been for me lol
     
  15. Zeki

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    :D Well, his brother pronounces it ‘Davis.’ I just saw/heard him say it in a clip that was posted here not to long ago.
     
  16. mark winstanley

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    Nice one, Cheers

    Interesting, I wonder if it is derived from pail ... and was supposed to represent being in a bucket, in a sense.
     
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  17. Zeki

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    I was thinking the sharpening of one side of a log and driving it into the ground. To create a barricade or fence. Impaling?
    Edit: actually, sharpen both ends! Drive one side in and have upper side as a tool of impalement if someone tries to get over it.
     
  18. sharedon

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  19. Vangro

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    As in 'beyond the pale', i.e. beyond the fence I believe.
     
  20. Vangro

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    Also a paling is part of a fence? And palings is the fence as a whole. Or is that a regional word?
     
  21. Vangro

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    DavEEs is the Welsh pronunciation, and the family are of Welsh extraction, so Dave is being true to his roots. Davies is a Welsh name so DaveEEs is the correct pronunciation basically.
     
  22. Zeki

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    It took me 350 pages of this thread to change from DavEEs to Davis. Now I gotta go back? I’ll think about it.
     
  23. palisantrancho

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    "Holloway Jail"

    I was listening to this the other day on headphones and it was reminding me of McCartney. The vocal around 20 seconds in "She was a lady, when she went in" sounds remarkably like a McCartney vocal and melody. Then the guitar and drums come in and they also have something very McCartney about them. Like maybe something from his first solo album. Another fantastic song. I'm happy to see the positive comments. It's kind of a buried track that took awhile to pop out for me. I'm with @mark winstanley that we are now 9 for 9.
     
  24. idleracer

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    :kilroy: I heard Ray mention in a recent interview that it's actually supposed to be pronounced "Daviz" which is sort of a compromise between the two of them.
     
  25. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I know it is nothing to do with it at all, but every time I hear "She was a lady, when she went in" my head follows it up with the line "Goodbye to romance that might have been" lol ... I'm really not sure why the Everly Brothers Bye Bye Love keeps popping out there, but every single time I hear the song, that goes through my head :)
     

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