The Kinks - Album by Album (song by song)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mark winstanley, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. The late man

    The late man Forum Resident

    I hardly remembered the last 4 tracks on the album, so they're almost new to me.

    Live Life

    A really pleasant rocker. Now that @Fortuleo is saying it, the verse might be stronger than the chorus, but it didn't strike me as much as on other songs (acting the contrarian here). My analysis of the verse lyrics never went much further than "political stuff put in smart sounding words", contrasted with the basic stoician (or epicurean ? I just spent 3 days with philosophers, my perception is altered) idea that in the end we don't give a damn about it all. It reminds me of a comedic fake advertisement that my conational probably remembers, in which a former revolutionary sells a brand of yoghurt named "Don't give a s**t" (litteraly "don't give a wa*k" in French) and says it has cured him from his militant past.

    Out of the wardrobe

    I have always thought that the right way to address offensive words was to disarm them, not ban them, but that's not the way society has chosen to handle this problem, and after all society may very well be quite right about this. I say this just to state that the offensiveness of words is not much of an issue for me : I always thought it a sane discipline to force myself to hear the meaning of words behind their appearance. But of course it's easier when you're not in a minority, and I don't use slurs myself. Still, I'm in the "context is everything" team, and since the context of this song is my childhood, I really don't see any problem with it. My main reproach is, I find the narrative a bit too straightforward. I don't hear any hidden meanings, irony or ambiguity, and in a way that's what's bothering me. The point being made is one of tolerance and openness, and that's great, but I wish it would have been made a bit more elaborately. The music's OK. Like a minority of Avids, I'm not so fond of the "princess" hook though. Neither do I enjoy the bridge that much. A pleasant song, not a skipper, quite touching actually, but not a favorite.
  2. LX200GPS

    LX200GPS Forum Resident

    Somewhere Else
    Is he not allowed to write songs from different viewpoints?
  3. Wondergirl

    Wondergirl Forum Resident

    Massachusetts, USA
    Found this RS article on Ebay. The article is from during the Misfits tour. Thought it was a good read:
  4. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

    Am I not allowed to criticize him for putting out contradictory messages? Are these particular songs written from someone else's viewpoint other than the viewpoint of Ray Davies? If not, then am I allowed to wonder what exactly it is that Ray Davies is trying to tell us in these songs? Or maybe I should just accept that the songs are just meaningless and, despite appearances to the contrary, Ray isn't actually trying to say anything and it's just some words to sing because a song needs words?
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  5. Endicott

    Endicott Forum Resident

    It's not so hidden anymore -- real estate values have skyrocketed here as Montgomery County residents (and others) have been discovering it. Great for those of us who have their homes, but tough for young people. I wasn't here during the Clinton years, but I have a friend who grew up here and says he once saw Nixon (with a couple of Secret Service agents) hiking around the Camp David area. I'm recently retired and could live just about anywhere, but this is where I belong. :)
  6. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    Read p.11, top right of the RS piece @Wondergirl just posted. Clearly, Ray writes in character. Uncle Son isn’t Ray. Mr. Black isn’t Ray. Dan the Fan isn’t Ray. The guy going to the discotheque with his hair in a permanent wave isn’t Ray.

    DISKOJOE Boredom That You Can Afford!

    Salem, MA
    Thank U Very Much for posting this Avid Wondergirl. This is the very issue of RS that I bought back in the day (Cover Person: Gilda Radner RIP) and I still have it. You have saved me the drudgery of going through my pile of old mags to find it since I wanted to take a look at it before writing about "Trust Your Heart".

    Speaking of Dave, he does rock the beard a bit better in the front photo than he did earlier in the decade, although it's still a bit disconcerting.

    Finally, one of the Avids said that Gordon Edwards was a member of the Electric Banana. This is true, but it was really the Pretty Things under another guise so that it could supply background music for films & TV as a side gig (there's a 3CD set of their music that came out several years ago).
  8. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

    I think you've misunderstood my point. Are "Live Life" and "Get Up" character songs?
  9. sharedon

    sharedon Forum Zonophone

    Boomer OK
    I believe the fella who wrote that fine RS article also wrote a book about The Kinks many years ago…
  10. Wondergirl

    Wondergirl Forum Resident

    Massachusetts, USA
    You're most welcome. I saw a mention of Woody Allen and thought of you.

    Dave can carry a beard better than Ray can. I've seen Ray with a mustache shortly after his 1966 breakdown and then in a full beard in that 80s Rockaplast (sp?) video and Ray needs to remain clean shaven. :laugh: So sez me!
  11. Fischman

    Fischman RockMonster, ClassicalMaster, and JazzMeister

    New Mexico
    For our Sunday off, I'll share this performance of YRGM from TOTP.

    At the very front of the clip, Ray introduces himself. Hearing him do so reminded me of the rather long discussion we had early on in this thread about the proper pronunciation of "Davies."

    Here you have it, straight from the horses mouth.


    DISKOJOE Boredom That You Can Afford!

    Salem, MA
    I know that Mendelsholn mentioned him in his book, telling him to get his Kinks book out soon, but the only books by Fred Shruers that I could find were about Blondie and a bio of Billy Joel.
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  13. Lightworker

    Lightworker Forum Resident

    Deep Texas
    Frederick is pretty much just "Montgomery County North" now. All of my Republican friends there fled to Florida and points South even before the pandemic hit. The days of "Fredneck" are long passed (lol).
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  14. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    It is
  15. Martyj

    Martyj Who dares to wake me from my slumber? -- Mr. Flash

    Maryland, USA
    Wow. With thread participates spreading through the United Kingdom and Europe, plus all corners of the US, I had no idea (and what were the odds?) of more than one person either being from or familiar with this northwest outpost of the wider Washington DC metro area. By my count, we're up to three now.

    And "Montgomery County North" is right. When I moved to Frederick in 1998 the talk of the town was the fight to prevent development that would turn it into another Rockville. Preservation, indeed!

    I'm trying hard to think of some kind of Frederick/Kinks connection to make this relevant to the thread, but I'm coming up with nothing. I will say this, though. Living in this part of Maryland was close enough to the areas in Northern Virginia where Dave's solo shows routinely stopped, which enabled me to see him in concert three times. I didn't have that opportunity when I lived in Indiana.
  16. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I agree with the beard observation... it looks weird on Ray
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  17. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Ok, it looks like most people have been through, so this is the slightly less tentatively listed upcoming attractions :)
    After checking, all five songs @Martyj posted are available, so here they are slotted into the mix :righton:
    Unfortunately I don't have Picture Book, at the moment I just can't afford it ... che sera sera

    Monday - Trust Your Heart

    Tuesday - Get Up ... wrapping up the Misfits

    Wednesday -
    20 Golden Greats
    Dave's Decade continued - Islands

    Thursday - Dave's Decade - Give You All My Love

    Friday - Dave's Decade - Within Each Day

    Saturday - Dave's Decade - Same Old Blues and This Precious Time

    Monday Mar. 28th - Low Budget the album intro

    Tuesday - Attitude

    Wednesday - Catch Me Now I'm Falling

    Thursday - Pressure

    Friday - National Health

    Saturday - Superman

    Monday Apr. 4th - Low Budget

    Tuesday - In A Space

    Wednesday - Little Bit Of Emotion

    Thursday - A Gallon Of Gas

    Friday - Misery

    Saturday - Moving Pictures

    Monday Apr. 11th - Hidden Quality

    Tuesday - Duke

    Wednesday - Nuclear Love

    Thurday - Maybe I Love You

    Friday - Stolen Away Your Heart

    Saturday - Second time Around (RCA era compile)
    Dave Davies AFL 1-3603 the album intro

    Monday Apr. 18th - Where Do You Come From?

    Tuesday - Doing The Best For You

    Wednesday - Visionary Dreamer

    Thursday - Nothing More To Lose

    Friday - The World Is Changing Hands

    Saturday - Move Over

    Monday Apr. 25th - See The Beast

    Tuesday - Imaginations Real

    Wednesday - In You I Believe

    Thursday - Run

    Friday - The Kinks One For The Road the album, EP and video intro

    Saturday - Opening (album and video)/ Hard Way (album and video)

    Monday May 2nd - Catch Me Now I'm Falling (album and video)

    Tuesday - Where Have All The Good Times Gone (album and video)

    Wednesday - Intro/Lola (album and video)

    Thursday - Pressure (album and video)

    Friday - All Day And All Of The Night (album and video)

    Saturday - 20th Century Man

    Monday May 9th - Misfits

    Tuesday - Prince Of The Punks/ Stop Your Sobbing

    Wednesday - Low Budget (album and video)

    Thursday - Attitude (album and video)

    Friday - Superman (album and video)

    Saturday - National Health/ Til The End Of The Day

    Monday May 16th - Celluloid Heroes (album and video)

    Tuesday - You Really Got Me (album and video)

    Wednesday - Victoria (album and video)/ David Watts

    Thursday -
    Waterloo Sunset EP
    Dave Davies Glamour album intro

    Friday - Is This The Only Way

    Saturday - Glamour

    Monday May 23rd - Reveal Yourself

    Tuesday - World Of Our Own

    Wednesday - Body

    Thursday - Too Serious

    Friday - Telepathy

    Saturday - 7th Channel

    Monday May 30th - Eastern Eyes

    Tuesday - The Kinks Give The People What They Want album intro

  18. pablo fanques

    pablo fanques Somebody's Bad Handwroter In Memoriam

    Poughkeepsie, NY
    He grew into the look nicely

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  19. ajsmith

    ajsmith Senior Member

    April 4th (day of the Low Budget intro) will also be the 1st birthday of this thread!
  20. Bullis

    Bullis Forum Resident

    Niagara County
    Who is the bearded guy
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  21. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Nice one lol ... I actually like that idea
    I hadn't noticed :)
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  22. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I recognise the face, but I can't put a name to it.... I'm pretty sure he's an actor I recognise, but the name isn't coming to me
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  23. Lightworker

    Lightworker Forum Resident

    Deep Texas
    When I lived in Baltimore, I used to visit world-famous 78 collector Joe Bussard up in Frederick to listen to his rare (and often mint) pre-war blues and Cajun sides.
    My buddy who lived just up the hill from him back then was a world-class Beatles collector with lots of nice minty original U.K. 'Parlys' to enjoy. Always a cool 'listening
    tour'. We were both big Kinks fans (not Joe!) and caught every Kinks/Ray/Dave show in the area starting back around their killer 1972 Kennedy Center appearance.

  24. Fortuleo

    Fortuleo Used to be a Forum Resident

    I agree with both sides of this argument. As a writer, Ray's at the same time always coming back to similar themes and ideas (you might say obsessions) but he's also conflicted, contradictory, contrarian – to the extreme. More often than not, he knows how to turn it into a quality, but not always. A lot of his songs come from a place of observation, a few of them from a place of introspection, and then we have the "method acting" writing technique he describes in the RS article @Wondergirl posted. But on some songs it seems he's… well, maybe "preaching" is not the right word, but saying his piece about politics or politicians, the state of the world or the country etc., songs that don't express his sentimental and open worldview (his forte) as much as making up slogans about whatever he felt while listening to the news last night, which is not necessarily his strongest suit. Live Life and Get Up may fall into that trap.

    I love the Misfits LP, I appreciate every song on it, but I've noticed not a single one of its songs' lyrics so far have been unanimously praised by us thread participants. Some have been called too "slight" (Fever, Land, Wave), some too cliché (Misfits), some too simplistic (Live Life), some too messy (Fantasy), some too insensitive (Messiah, Wardrobe). I mostly disagree (my reservations on a few songs are mainly musical), but these very diverging opinions bring me to thinking Ray's writing is probably a little less sharp, a little more vague than before. An example: not sure if anyone mentioned it, but it occurred to me it's very possible that the Live Life chorus could come from a Big Brother type figure, like an instruction by the media or the government (keep calm and carry on indeed), a bit like some brainwashing or propaganda parts in some Arthur tracks. But even if it's the case (I like to think so), it's not handled sharply enough to make sure it reaches the listener's consciousness, and the song ends up being suspected of simplistic sloganeering…

    Now onto a very different matter : esteemed leader @mark winstanley, you know me, I’m all in favor of making this thread last the longest time possible. But I wonder if it would not be better to switch to two songs a day for Dave’s solo records and the live one (for the road). Not because they’re not deserving of praise and scrutiny, but because it kind of hurts the Kinks kontinuum by putting too much time between their next two studio LPs (Low Budget/Give the People What They Want). I don’t know, what do you think?
  25. pablo fanques

    pablo fanques Somebody's Bad Handwroter In Memoriam

    Poughkeepsie, NY
    Google says it’s Ray. Prob during the height of the pandemic
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