The Kinks - Album by Album (song by song)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mark winstanley, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. Brian Doherty

    Brian Doherty Forum Resident

    Los Angeles CA
    Pyrrhic---My memory is definitely that its that Garbarini cover interview in 83, yes. If you can dig it up that would be awesome. I myself PROBABLY still have the issue, but getting hand on it quick not easy.
  2. markelis

    markelis Forum Resident

    Miami Beach FL
    Add It Up: This was another one that I mysteriously ignored 40+ years ago when I bought the album. Until we began this exercise, I didn’t realize how much I must have cherry picked from this album. …and I clearly missed a few ripe cherries because it only took one listen for me to fall deeply in love with this song. Kudos to Mr. Idol and (probably more specifically) Mr. Stevens (since I’m pretty sure he’s in charge of most of the music that makes Mr. Idol’s albums so enjoyable for me) for picking up on the here somewhat submerged but excellent riff and repurposing it as the focal point for white wedding. Others have already done a fine job of pointing out the cool Blondie style new wave aspects. The only part that I really didn’t like upon my first relisten a few weeks ago, and possibly what caused me to ignore it for four decades prior, is the Gucci Gucci Gucci part, and even that, after a few listens, has been fun to sing along with and no longer hits my ears wrong. I call this a pretty high-quality album track that will settle closer to the front than the rear of my playlist for this era. Fun stuff!
  3. ThereOnceWasANote

    ThereOnceWasANote Forum Resident

    Cape May, NJ
    Add It Up

    Billy Idol lifted part of this for White Wedding from what I'm seeing here. I also hear a bit of Love Is The Drug in the way Ray sings the Symbols of lines. I'm liking this more listening to it on its own. Who is Ray addressing here? Maybe himself and covering that with Chrissie's lines of Gucci and Cartier (making us think of a woman). Part of Ray probably thought he was selling out his artistic muse at the time, choosing gold over love. I am warming up to this one. Maybe it would've worked better coming 3rd after the title track and Dial.

    This is an ok song. That pretty much sums up the album the songs are either just ok or among the best of Rays's post 60s material. It's a schitzophrenic album.
  4. Luckless Pedestrian

    Luckless Pedestrian Forum Resident

    New Hampshire, USA
    Add It Up is a very enjoyable three minutes (actually only about 2:40 then the long outro). Oh add it up is a great vocal hook. When sung, you almost have to emit a W between oh and add, so it ends up being ohh whadd it up. That W accelerates the sound of the add so that the air is flung out of the mouth with a tremendous amount of force before it skips off the T and slams back into the P - this really helps you taste the sour grapes!

    DISKOJOE Boredom That You Can Afford!

    Salem, MA
    I have that issue of Musician Magazine. It's the August 1983 issue and Ray was interviewed by Vic Garbarini. Here's what he said:

    Musician: On the last two albums, we're hearing a lot more of Dave's heavy metal style of guitar work. Whose decision was it to go for the harder sound?

    RD: I've just felt like playing some rock 'n roll, enjoying myself. The guitars are actually in the mix, but they sound louder 'cause they're in the right perspective. Same thing with the drums. They're not mixed loud, it's just apparent loudness. I had this conversation with Bruce Springsteen at the Power Station in New York. I was saying "apparent loudness, Bruce, that's what you should get, forget all this rock 'n roll crap! What you need is to make the drums sound louder than they actually are."

    Musician: So what's the secret?

    RD: Use ambient mikes. In the Power Station, they've got mikes in the ceiling. Clap your hands and you get an instant slap back. That's good, but it can only be used on something that's got a slow backbeat to it because of the delay. You can't really use it, for, say, soul music.

    Musician: Something like "Around the Dial" would be perfect for that.

    RD: Yeah, there you see. I wrote that song with that drum song in mind. So sounds do sometimes dictate how you write songs. Apparent loudness: Otis Redding's drummer had it-pop-slap-Buddy Holly's drummer too.

    Good luck tonight, Avid Pyrrhicvictory. Have you ever played w/James, the recent Jeopardy champion?
  6. TeddyB

    TeddyB Senior Member

    “Apparent loudness” was something discussed a lot by engineers and mixers back when I was recording at big studios in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Like how you could hear Jagger no matter how low they mixed him.
  7. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    The term Coochie does not solely and only relate to baby talk.
  8. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    Was Mick whistlin' dixie?
  9. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    As long as he wasn't whistling coo.....
    Nah, let's not even go there...
  10. Smiler

    Smiler Forum Resident

    Houston TX
    While I've read most of the posts here, I simply haven't made time to listen closely enough to GTPWTW to formulate insightful thoughts, much less listen to Glamour or enter the intriguing rabbit holes on Ron Sexsmith, et. al. Since you good people have done the heavy lifting, I'll let you speak for me.

    Around the Dial 5/5
    A bit long, but it's a wild ride that covers a range of stylistic ground. The part around the 3 minute mark reminds me of Pete Townshend's pedal tone style in "Sister Disco" and "You Better You Bet."

    Give the People What They Want 4/5
    What a great description!

    Killer's Eyes 2/5
    I too heard the Big Star similarity but agree the song doesn't live up to the opening.

    Predictable 2/5
    IMO, it's saved only by the catchy bridge, which I find myself humming around the house. I don't want to listen to this often. But maybe I'll edit it down to 2 minutes just so I can hear the bridge.

    Add It Up 5/5
    It may eventually wear thin due to over-repetition of the title, but I'm sure digging this New Wave gem right now!

    My belated introduction to the album: I'm sure the Kinks were in my consciousness in the early 80s, but only on the periphery. I didn't have MTV but I do remember hearing "Destroyer" on the radio and kind of rolled my eyes that they were recycling old riffs. I'd say this album will hit about 60% for me, comparable to the previous two studio albums. I didn't seek out a whole lot of New Wave but my fiancee/1st wife did, so this sound brings back pleasant memories of college/post-college, when my whole life was ahead of me... The cover is OK but for once I prefer the sequel.
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  11. The late man

    The late man Forum Resident

    The whole Around The Dial song, and some of the songwriting on the album, sound very Townshend to my ears. This way of combining very simple elements, typically a 1 or 2-chord verse, a simple chorus, and suddenly a bridge built on a formula chord progression that breaks the monotony of the track with a change of tempo, momentum and/or key with minimum compositional effort.
  12. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    That reminds me of the first vinyl release of the Rolling Stones Brussels show called Bedspring Symphony and subtitled a box lunch and meat whistle.
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  13. Zerox

    Zerox Forum Resident

    I'm sure I read a later interview with Ray where he said that he'd discussed snare sounds with Bruce and the secret to the sound they were after was triggering a sample of white noise with each wallop (technical term!) of the drum. Not sure the studio gear was up to such practices before the early '80s, though...
  14. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    I couldn't find this Dave Davies comment on Jimmy Page and the You Really Got Me solo claims when we were discussing it but here it is now.

    Guitar Player September 1977:


    N.b. For what it's worth the reason Dave rarely used a wah-wah pedal is because he hates them.
  15. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    I found a 1977 Guitar Player interview with Jimmy Page though the only Kinks related comment was this one around his possible contribution of feedback.

  16. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter


    Single by The Kinks
    from the album Give the People What They Want
    "Back to Front"
    Released 28 September 1981 (US)
    Recorded May 1979 - June 1981
    Genre Hard rock, new wave
    Length 3:47
    Label Arista AS 0619
    Songwriter(s) Ray Davies
    Producer(s) Ray Davies

    stereo mix (3:44), recorded May 1979, vocals overdubbed probably 1981 at Power Station, New York

    Met a girl called Lola and I took her back to my place
    Feelin' guilty, feelin' scared, hidden cameras everywhere
    Stop! Hold on. Stay in control

    Girl, I want you here with me
    But I'm really not as cool as I'd like to be
    'Cause there's a red, under my bed
    And there's a little yellow man in my head
    And there's a true blue inside of me
    That keeps stoppin' me, touchin' ya, watchin' ya, lovin' ya

    Paranoia, the destroyer.
    Paranoia, the destroyer.

    Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda' queer
    Lola looked at me and said, "ooh you look so weird."
    She said, "man, there's really something wrong with you.
    One day you're gonna' self-destruct.
    You're up, you're down, I can't work you out
    You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out."

    Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. Silly boy ya' self-destroyer

    Silly boy you got so much to live for
    So much to aim for, so much to try for
    You blowing it all with paranoia
    You're so insecure you self-destroyer

    (And it goes like this, here it goes)
    Paranoia, the destroyer
    (Here it goes again)
    Paranoia, the destroyer

    Doctor, Doctor help me please, I know you'll understand
    There's a time device inside of me, I'm a self-destructin' man
    There's a red, under my bed
    And there's a little green man in my head
    And he said, "you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
    'Cause there's a man in ya, gnawin' ya, tearin' ya into two."

    Silly boy ya' self-destroyer.
    Paranoia, the destroyer

    Self-destroyer, wreck your health
    Destroy friends, destroy yourself
    The time device of self-destruction
    Light the fuse and start eruption

    (Yea, it goes like this, here it goes)
    Paranoia, the destroyer
    (Here's to paranoia)
    Paranoia, the destroyer
    (Hey hey, here it goes)
    Paranoia, the destroyer
    (And it goes like this)

    Paranoia, the destroyer
    (And it goes like this.)

    Written by: Ray Davies
    Published by: Davray Music Ltd.

    Destroyer is a really interesting track...

    Originally meant for the Low Budget album, but they couldn't get a mix they were satisfied with.

    As we all know the main musical piece of the song is a slight reworking of All Day And All Of The Night, which works to help paint the paranoia feeling that the song is essentially focussing on.
    Also we have Lola come back into the catalog in the opening lyric.

    The song was eventually recorded at the Power Station, and Mick says the dense sound is due to the studio's audio dynamics. Mick said "We recorded that at the Power Station in New York in the ambient room, which had a great drum sound. The sound of the room can really affect what you’re doing. When you hear that sound slapping around that big room, you want to cut loose. That’s what I did."

    The album was Ray reflecting on his experiences in the US essentially and was, as I said earlier, driven by the sensationalism of the US media...

    We open with the idea that He has met this girl Lola and taken her back to his place, but the paranoia starts instantly that he gets back.
    We get the line "there's a red under my bed", and the implication there would be that he is on amphetamines, and that makes me wonder if the song is about speed psychosis to some degree. Even at this stage our guy is struggling, because he sees a little yellow man in his head, and unless that is something to do with the rise of Japan as a major commercial entity in the eighties, or the technology that they were very famous for, I can only assume that it is based directly on the feeling that he is being watched and his paranoia levels are rising.
    Because in the opening lines, we find out that he thinks there are cameras everywhere.... the funny thing to me is, that these days there likely is a camera wherever we are lol.

    I'm not overly sure of the True-blue reference... True-blue generally refers to an unwavering loyalty..... but if pills are the focus here...
    There are two blue pills I know of
    Adderall XR (extended release)
    Now one may think that in this scenario of having taken a girl back to his room, one may think that viagra is the most likely candidate....
    But since viagra only became available in 1998, it looks like we are looking at Adderall, which is another amphetamine, which was famously used for A.D.D. or its cousin A.D.H.D., which was first diagnosed in 1902.
    Now interestingly A.D.H.D. was first described as “an abnormal defect of moral control in children.” ... Now, based on the scenario here, perhaps we have a situation where The guy is feeling he is suffering from moral turpitude, and so needs to medicate lol.... anyway, what a twisting ride we have here.

    Anyway, more simply and logically, it seems our paranoid person is taking a few amphetamines and so the paranoia is more likely, speed psychosis .... and believe it or not this is a real and very weird thing.
    I worked with a guy who had been dabbling, and he came to me one day, out of his brain in my opinion, and said that people were following him.
    So I said lets go for a wander down the shops, and show me, we'll see what's going on....
    We walked around the shops and he kept saying things like "there's one"...
    So I said "lets go for a drive then"
    We went for a drive, and we pulled into a local park .... about five minutes later another car pulled in, and he says "look, see, they followed us".
    I said "that's a sales rep, and they are having lunch"
    There was a woman walking a dog "she's one too"
    We ended up driving off again. He said circle back to the park. So I did.
    He says "see, the woman's gone. She was following me"...
    I said "no mate, she was walking the dog, and she finished and went home"
    It was an awful situation..... and it seems like this song is somewhat following the same line of thought.

    So our guy was too paranoid to do anything with Lola, and he falls asleep.
    When he wakes up Lola says he looks weird and says there is really something wrong with him.... that ain't a great thing to say to someone suffering from paranoia, people :)

    Things get so dire that our guy goes to the doctor... He states that there is a time device inside of me, I'm a self-destructing man.... Is this fear of getting old?
    The doctor is a bit odd as well though... he starts off alright, with "You're not crazy, just a bit sad"... but then in a sort of escalation he says that's because "there's a man in you, gnawing you and tearing you in two".....

    Now the red under the bed could possibly be seen as a reference to McCarthyism, but in the context of the song seems more likely to be a reference to speed psychosis via the two types of amphetamines seeming to be listed....

    Either way, it is an interesting and entertaining lyric.

    This was the first single for the album in the US. It went to 80 on the billboard chart and 3 on the mainstream rock chart.
    It also got to number 35 in Canada.
    In the Uk Better Things was the first single, and it charted at 46 in the UK, and interestingly 90 on billboard, and 10 on the mainstream rock chart.

    Musically we have the backbone of the song as a pretty direct copy of All Day And All Of The
    Night, but there are some nice little variations, and of course the sound is that same raw, garage sound that this album relishes, and thrives because of... for me at least.

    We again open with a solid drum beat, and the bass. Ray opens with a spoken vocal, working like a narrator.
    Then as we move up to the first chorus, we get the piano join in and then we explode into the chorus. It's a very effective build and release.
    Essentially this is the way the song goes.
    The verses are stripped back, almost with the nervous energy the song sort of portrays and the music reflects, and then the choruses are straight up angst filled rock.
    Dave gives us some nice lead fills in here as well.

    We also get a bridge here, and it is also very effective.

    I suppose to some degree it may seem a little silly, but I love Ray's "and it goes like this" interjections. They seems to come in slightly differently each time, and I find them amusing and entertaining. The song also aptly ends on one of these.

    For me, this is an interesting track, and I would love a full back story of what led to them using it in this way. I have always assumed that there was a hint of paranoia in the use of an old riff... almost like the singer is paranoid that he is repeating himself but unsure...

    Another excellent track, and aside from a couple of songs here and there, I am still yet to see any Arista fade out...


  17. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    I'm guessing this is Top Of The Pops or something? not sure

  18. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    I haven't found the Jimmy Page quote in question but I have found an interview where he says that while he didn't play on You Really Got Me he certainly did play on later Kinks Singles and album tracks both rhythm and lead guitar.
  19. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    On The Don Lane Show in Australia 1982

  20. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

  21. ajsmith

    ajsmith Forum Resident

    Not 'Top Of The Pops' (the Kinks didn't appear on it in any guise between 1973 and 1983 although it does kind of look like that kind of set). Not sure of the origin of this clip, presumably a comparable pop show although probably not British. You'll note that Dave is absent again!
  22. Fortuleo

    Fortuleo Used to be a Forum Resident

    This is… fantastic. I’ve always loved it and I love it even more now because of the journey we've undertaken with this thread since the beginning, making us realize that self-reference and self-reflection were always part of Ray’s attitude, Ray’s musical language and the conversation he’d established with his fans. I love that. I love that he’d be preposterous enough to acknowledge the conversation we, as listeners, entertain with his music. I think by doing this song, he responds directly to our way of engaging with him, a bit like Lennon used to do (“the walrus was Paul”, the strings in Steel and Glass) but in an even more obvious way, and with a 100% friendly nod to us. I think it’s a gift to us, acknowledging the conversation and the shared baggage with which we approach his newer records.

    Only yesterday, we were covering Add It Up, of which the lyrics obliquely quote Sitting in My Hotel, but with a different perspective. What’s it all leading to? he asked again, but in a more oblique way, because we don’t quite know which side he’s on anymore… Same with today’s song, in which the music conveys a huge part of the story. The lyrics tell us he went with Lola, the music tells us he wants to be at it all day and all of the night with her, but the momentum’s broken down by assaults of guilt and paranoia that “destroy” everything. This is just incredibly effective… The “Stop! Hold On!, Stay in Control” phrase is a marvel, I love how he transforms the meter of the ADAAOTN verse to make it almost childlike (“But I'm really not as cool as I'd like to be”). The “Destroyer” chorus is in effect a destroyer chorus, and Dave’s low riffing is extraordinary. I mentioned the Pixies yesterday, and sure enough at the 0’50’’ mark here, he almost invents the Pixies/Joey Santiago (and Nirvana…) signature sound. When the band comes in to sing the paranoia chorus at the end, in an even more anguished but almost triumphant manner, the song reaches a true paranoid climax, I don’t know a lot of songs that manage to channel alienation just as effectively, while still being funny and hugely entertaining. Up to the very “AND IT GOES LIKE THIS!” conclusion. Yep, fantastic.
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  23. ajsmith

    ajsmith Forum Resident

    Got to admit I've never been a huge fan of this one and in fact it may be my least favourite on the album! :hide: (it's only competition being it's B-side). I know they are part of the essence of the track, but I find the 'All Day And All Of The Night' and 'Lola' references kind of insurmountably cloying in their kind of 'member when'? meta self awareness. It's a good sounding track (it continues on the seam of powerful, lean sonic newave-adjacent credibility from yesterdays song ) and it still offers an original chorus that's very strong, and tbh I enjoy the whole experience when it's on, but I just find the self cannibalization premise too distracting to fully go with this one.

    As something of a Dr Who enthusiast , I'd compare it to 80s Dr Who stories like the somewhat notorious 'Attack Of The Cybermen' that were constructed Frankestein-like out of multiple surface references to past glories in what came across as a kind of slightly desperately transparent attempt to signal to audiences that the show was as vital as it always had been.
  24. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Oct 1963 - Nov 1966 - Kinks get a haircut
    Apr 1967 - Feb 1970
    1965 Never Say Yes
    1966 Trouble In Madrid
    Nov 1970 - Jun 1976

    Ray interview

    Ray Interview with Studs Terkel 1969

    The Kinks Move To Arista Records

    Feb 1977 Sleepwalker
    Life On The Road - OGWT 77 - ITV 78
    Mr Big Man
    Sleepwalker - Mike Douglas - OGWT - Supersonic - SNL - Outtake
    Juke Box Music - single - OGWT
    Sleepless Night
    Stormy Sky - OGWT 77
    Full Moon - live 77 - Ray live
    Life Goes On - OGWT 77
    Artificial Light
    Prince Of The Punks
    The Poseur
    On The Outside - remix
    Elevator Man

    Kinks Live Feb 1977
    Ray acoustic Apr 77
    Kinks Old Grey Whistle Test show 77
    Kinks Live Dec 1977
    Christmas Concert 1977
    The Pressures Of The Road

    Nov 1977 Father Christmas - video - live 1977 - tv promo - Dave live

    May 1978 Misfits
    Misfits - tv 1978
    Hay Fever - live?
    Black Messiah
    Rock And Roll Fantasy- the hotel room - live Paris 1978
    In A Foreign Land
    Permanent Waves
    Live Life - US version - UK tv
    Out Of The Wardrobe
    Trust Your Heart - live 1979
    Get Up

    1978 The Misfit Record EP

    Lola live in the hotel room

    UK tv 1978

    The Misfits Tour
    Live in Paris 1978

    Sept. 1978 20 Golden Greats

    Jul 1979 Low Budget
    Catch Me Now I'm Falling - remix - alt mix - The Late Man, Sea Cows In Love Mix
    Pressure - live 1983
    National Health
    Superman (ext. mix) - single/album mix - ext fan mix - video - straight mix 12"
    Low Budget - Extended mix - Live 89 - Ray Live
    In A Space
    A Little Bit Of Emotion
    A Gallon Of Gas - Live in 1982 - Full US single version - Alt mix
    Moving Pictures
    studio outtakes
    Hidden Quality
    Nuclear Love
    Maybe I Love You
    Stolen Away Your Heart

    Mike Konopka Restores the Kinks for the Velvel Reissues

    The Low Budget interview
    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4

    Aug 1974 Live At Cobo Hall

    Ray On Wonderworld

    The Kunks

    Ray on the Stones

    Compilations part 1
    The Kinks (France 78)

    Dave Davies - AFL1-3603
    Where Do You Come From
    Doing The Best For You
    Visionary Dreamer
    Nothing More To Lose
    The World Is Changing Hands
    Move Over
    See The Beast
    Imaginations Real - Dave live
    In You I Believe
    Wild Man

    June 1980 One For The Road - The Concert Video - The 1979 Setlists - Cover analysis
    Opening/Hardway - Hardway video
    Catch Me Now I'm Falling - video
    Where Have All the Good Times Gone - video
    Lola - video
    Pressure - video
    All Day And All Of The Night - video
    20th Century Man
    Prince Of The Punks
    Stop Your Sobbing
    Low Budget - video
    Attitude - video
    Superman - video
    National Health

    Till The End Of The Day
    Celluloid Heroes - video
    You Really Got Me - video
    Victoria - video
    David Watts

    Slum Kids 79 live

    July 1980 The Live EP - Promo EP

    1980 Waterloo Sunset EP

    Live at the Palladium 1980

    1981 The Kinks - What's It All About?

    Jul 1981 Dave Davies Glamour
    Is This The Only Way?
    Reveal Yourself
    World Of Our Own
    Too Serious
    7th Channel
    Eastern Eyes

    1981 Chorus Girls

    Aug 1981 Give The People What They Want
    Around The Dial - live 1982 - extended intro
    Give The People What They Want - video - extra verse
    Killer's Eyes - live 1982
    Predictable - video
    Add It Up - live 1982
    Destroyer - tv show - YRGM/Destroyer Don Lane Show -ext mix?

    Ray And Chrissie Postcard From London

    Rockpalast concert 1982

    Live In Frankfurt in 1984

    Kinks live TOTP 1994

    2005 Thanksgiving Day Ray live on Conan Obrien

    Oct 2018 Dave Davies - Decade - interview
    If You Are Leaving (71)
    Cradle To The Grace (73)
    Midnight Sun (73)
    Mystic Woman (73)
    The Journey (73)
    Shadows (73)
    Web Of Time (75)
    Mr Moon (75) - Why
    Islands (78)
    Give You All My Love (78)
    Within Each Day (78)
    Same Old Blues (78)
    This Precious Time (78)

    Rob Kopp has made his 1999 Kinks discography 'Down All The days Till 1992'

    US Chart Stats
    The Music Industry Machine

    Mick Avory
    Pete Quaife - interview - Kast Off Kinks - I Could See It In Your Eyes - Dead End Street
    Rasa Didzpetris Davies
    John Dalton
    John Gosling
    Jim Rodford
    Ian Gibbons
    Andy Pyle
    Gordon Edwards
    Clive Davis
  25. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Senior Member

    Gosh I missed it but a bit before my time of regular late night Don Lane (& Kink) watching!

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