The Master Flat-Transfer Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by acjetnut, Dec 13, 2006.

  1. acjetnut

    acjetnut Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    USA
    Help feed my curiosity: I love "warts-and-all" flat transfer cd's!

    Here is a list of the ones I know of:
    The Who's "Who's Next" - Steve Mastering
    Grateful Dead "From The Mars Hotel" - MFSL
    Carole King "Tapestry" - single layer SACD
    CCR "Willy and the Poor Boys" - Steve's SACD
    Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" - DCC
    Bob Dylan "John Wesley Harding" - original issue CD



    so, what else can i add to this list?
     
  2. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (MFSL UDCD)
     
  3. RayistaGeoff

    RayistaGeoff Forum Resident

    According to Steve, basically all of the 1989 Japanese "Pastmasters" series Beach Boys CD releases except Pet Sounds. (Aside from a few tracks deleted from the 70's LP reissues that Capitol forgot to send them initially, and then sent the duophonic versions by mistake.)

    Geoff
     
  4. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

    Location:
    United States
    The DCC of Van Halen's debut album, as mastered by Steve.
     
  5. ChristianL

    ChristianL Forum Resident

    Location:
    Berlin, Germany
    Bob Seger's Night Moves and Stranger In Town (original CD's)
     
  6. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi acjetnut,

    Warren Zevon's "A Quiet Normal Life"
    Enya's "Watermark"
    CSN's "CSN"
    Phil Collins' "Face Value" & "Hello, I Must Be Going"

    ...at least the versions I did way back when...(Zevon and CSN from 1/2" analog, Enya and Phil from U-matic digital).

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  7. clairehuxtable

    clairehuxtable Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    The Ultimate Rascals (the version without the picture of the group).
     
  8. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi clairehuxtable,

    That was not 100% flat. Some judicious EQ was applied in various places when I did that one. (Same goes for "Ultimate Otis Redding".)

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  9. Andreas

    Andreas Senior Member

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Also Tumbleweed Connection, Madman Across The Water and Honky Chateu.
     
  10. John

    John Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northeast
    Yeah these would be my choices too. I dont know if EQ was used, but they end up with that flat sound we like. I thought the MOFI Rod Stewart Every Picture, and MOFI Skynerd 2nd Helping had that resulting flat sound as well. Man, I really liked those early MOFI Ultradiscs!
     
  11. ivan_wemple

    ivan_wemple Forum Resident

    I feel lost in this thread.

    How do you folks all know what discs represent "flat transfers"? I suppose you've all heard the master tapes? :rolleyes:

    The first "warts-and-all" (relatively) great CD that I thought of was the DCC Gold Aqualung (the original recording has plenty of issues which are glaringly evident upon listening). But I have no idea if it's a flat transfer or not.
     
  12. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Since I don't have any other versions handy at the moment...

    Does the reverb at the end abruptly cut off on all versions? Or just on the original Ultimate disc?
     
  13. Joseph

    Joseph Forum Resident

    When the mastering engineer (Steve, Barry et al) confirms it. Or if someone here has compared the cd to the original master tape. Anything else is conjecture and guessing.
     
  14. ivan_wemple

    ivan_wemple Forum Resident

    I agree that this works. As an aside, did I read here (somewhere) that virtually all of the MoFi releases are so-called flat transfers? (i.e., any use of EQ on these titles is very, very rare?).
     
  15. dkmonroe

    dkmonroe A completely self-taught idiot

    Location:
    Atlanta
    Good point!

    :-popcorn:
     
  16. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Ack! Didn't mention the song. Good Lovin'...
     
  17. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi ivan,

    While I can't say for sure, the ones I have experience with (especially when I was familiar with the masters, e.g. back at Atlantic) make me doubt this.

    Again, I can't say for sure. Just reporting on my own listening impressions.

    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  18. oldschool

    oldschool I love tape hiss

    Location:
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    I think Steve once mentioned here that most (if not all?) of the early MoFi's are flat transfers and that's why he likes them
     
  19. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Barry, you at Warner Bros. back when they did the wonderful remastering of "The Mason Williams Phonograph Record?" I wonder who did the mastering of the CD which is indeed very well done.
     
  20. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi Brad,

    I was at the Atlantic Records division in New York City.
    CD mastering at the Warner division (in Los Angeles) was handled by Joe Sidore (unless this was one that was "outsourced" ?).

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  21. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    I'd like to reach Joe Sidore and find out if he did the Mason Williams Phonograph Record CD which was done at Warner Bros. mastering studios back in the early 1990s. The sound quality is very dynamic and the hiss is left intact and sounds like it came flat from the master as the original vinyl also sounds like this.
     
  22. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi Brad,

    If it was done at Warner, I'd bet the odds are good that Joe mastered it.
    I don't know if he's still there though.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  23. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    Steve has said that the original CBS release of Journey Escape pressed in Japan sounds like the master tapes. He has said the same thing about the MFSL version of Boz Scaggs Silk Degrees.

    He also has said that the MFSL version of Steely Dan Aja was not futzed with, but as I've said before, I don't care for the sound. It sounds harsh to me. I still greatly prefer the original MCA version.
     
  24. Andreas

    Andreas Senior Member

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Steve's word is good enough for me. No need to roll eyes, he has commented on many flat transfers on this forum.
     
  25. acjetnut

    acjetnut Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    USA
    Are some not? Also, are these from the original master tapes, or LP master tapes?
     

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