The Move

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  1. hallucalation

    hallucalation Forum Resident

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    Can anyone also tell me what's exclusive stuff on Salvo disc of Shazam? I want to list it for sale since i have 2 CD set by Esoteric.

    Also what's the alternate mono mixes of Move LP songs? Can anyone give Discogs link?
     
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  2. FireBrigade

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    It's available here, though naturally in Japanese, so there's a lot of pretty rough translations - but it was enough to be able to discern all of the various versions across the Repertoire/Salvo/Esoteric discs:

    ザ・ムーヴ・コンプリート・コレクション 1966-1970
     
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  4. FireBrigade

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    The Salvo disc of 'Shazam' no longer has any exclusive material, as the Esoteric 2CD has them all - unless you count the fake/duophonic-style stereo 'mixes' of Blackberry Way and Curly, which aren't very helpful or necessary, but if you like them then it might be worth keeping...!

    The 1998 Repertoire "Move" CD (*not* the 1992 Repertoire, only the '98) has a large selection of extras, including a alternate mono version of 'Cherry Blossom Clinic,' being session audio where the vocals are being overdubbed live onto the mono mix (there's talking at the beginning, and during the song the vocals are much more pronounced and louder than the music behind it). It also has what is now called the 'undubbed version' of Disturbance (missing some guitar overdubs), the Carl vocal 'Fire Brigade,' and a mono mix of the instrumental 'Second Class' featuring Roy and Trevor (this was later recorded by Roy as part of the 'Rock Medley' on Boulders). It also has a bunch of single-only B-sides from the period, and the disc concludes with all seven on the original 1968 stereo mixes for the album's songs. Those latter seven don't seem to be included in this new Japanese box, so if you're a total completist for the mixes, definitely recommend this one!

    The Move - The Move

    The 1998 Repertoire "Looking On" (again, only the '98 version) has a bunch of extra tracks, all of which look to be included here, but one track ("Curly Where's Your Girlie") is an alternate mono mix of Curly which was made for/broadcast on the BBC (therefore, it's in the Esoteric Shazam and this new Japan box - but probably sourced from a transcription disc instead of the actual tape?) - as well as 'Wild Tiger Woman Blues' which is an alternate mono mix. I believe this mix was also made for BBC use, as even though the song was famously banned by the BBC, the song was played on the air several times - a live session in September 1968 (this is in the Esoteric Shazam) and a supposed 'live' recording in October, which from a bootleg source seems to be identical to this alternate mix.

    The Move - Looking On

    Not sure why Repertoire (and Westside, in their own Move 30th anniversary box) decided to retitle those two songs just for these different mixes...! However, former Move/ELO archivist Rob Caiger has said that many of these tapes went missing after being given to Westside in 1998 for their box, which is why items such as the Carl vocal 'Fire Brigade' have never been on Salvo, Esoteric or any other release since then, unfortunately. Hopefully whatever new adjustment this Japanese set does improves the current conditions!

    Hope this helps and wasn't too confusing...!
     
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  5. Carl Swanson

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    I love The Move, but they were "of their time," and I don't believe they could ever be recreated on anything approaching the level of their original period.
     
  6. hallucalation

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    With all wrong translation tracklist looks to me like a complete mess. I do hope that some of the lossy tracks that were uploaded on Salvo/Move site during reissue program in late 00s will be included as fully lossless.
    Also would be useful to see which track comes from which release on new box set. I do have only 2016 deluxes and Salvo's Anthology 4 CD set now..

    EMI/Harvest stuff is now owns by Warner. They are diffucult to license.
     
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  7. hallucalation

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    Actually i now remember why i decided to keep physical copy of Shazam single disc from Salvo. Exclusive stereo remix of Something. Fake stereo Curly is on both of Esoteric and Salvo (Esoteric should had keep actual real stereo Something and delete Caiger crappy fake stereo of Curly as they did with Blackberry Way). That CD going for sale now...
     
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  8. Crimson Witch

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  9. hallucalation

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    Following bonus tracks were put online during Salvo digital campaigh. Black is still exclusive stuff that remains lossy:

    Night of fear (vocal session) > prev unr online bonustrack Move 07 remaster
    I can hear the grass grow (session mono mix) > prev unr online bonustrack Move 07 remaster - released on Anthology 66-72 box
    Fire brigade (early undubbed mix) > prev unr online bonustrack Anthology 08 - same track as on old Movement/Repertoire CD
    Cherry Blossom Clinic (Vocal overdub mix) - same track as on old Movement/Repertoire CD
    The price of love (take 1 backing track) > prev unr online bonustrack Move 07 remaster
    Wild tiger woman blues (take 1) > prev unr online bonustrack Shazam remaster 07
    Omnibus (alternate mix) > prev unr online bonustrack Shazam remaster 07
    Il torrente (Something italian version) > prev unr online bonustrack Anthology 08 - Repertoire "Looking On" CD has it.
     
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  10. SJB

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    The Italian "Something" is also on a 1999 Repertoire singles compilation.
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  11. Benjamin Edge

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    I thought ELO was a genuine Wood-Lynne-Bevan affair, but I guess the ELO lineup changes post-Wood were not to Wood's liking, I guess.

    When ELO, without Wood, released their version of Chuck Berry's "Roll Over Beethoven" on their second album in early 1973, and as a single that March, Wood's new band, Wizzard, responded with a song of their own called "Bend Over Beethoven."

    Maybe this is why there won't be another Move reunion?

    ~Ben
     
  12. hallucalation

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    Wild tiger woman blues (take 1) > prev unr online bonustrack Shazam remaster 07 - sounds very simular to alternate mix from Repertoire's "Looking On" but some differences in double tracking between each other and longer fade.
    I believe that's a set of alternate mixes prepared for BBC. Those are not comes from Transcription Discs (as they lack DJ intros) and came from label's tape stash. Same with alternate Curly.
     
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  13. Mover

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    Anyone care to spill any beans on this BBC set?
     
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  14. hallucalation

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    1967-1970, pre-Jeff Lynne stuff. Transcriptions and off-air stuff. All new transfers from BBC discs, not Esoteric recycling.
     

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