I can highly recommend the 4 "EPOK Myth and Legends" DVD,s.They give a great overview of the career of Magma from 1970 to present day. And some old faces appear such as Jannick Top and Klaus Blasquiz who augment the main line up over the 4 DVD,s. I am surprised how good the older material from Magma 1 & 2 sounds on these DVD,s. Vander had obviously spent some time in working these pieces live some 35 years after original release. Also, I like the reworking of MDK with Top,s extended bass solo which breaks up the chants 2/3rds of the way through the piece. Hearing these DVD,s makes me wonder how the new line up will sound live. I would have thought the loss of the Pagonotti couple would be felt. Amazing voices. It is good to see that Stella Vander is still in the line up despite not being involved i.m told with C Vander anymore. Still hoping to get tickets for the 40th anniversary gigs in Paris in 2009. I am told that Steve Davis (the snooker ace and major Magma fan) will be there. Good. That man spent many money bringing the band to London in 1989 for a very rare UK visit.
Yep those DVDs are well worth the purchase-some great stuff on view I remember the 1989 gigs well-Steve did a great job getting Vander over at the time to do a Magma titled performance as he was very much into the Offering band at the time and was not into performing as Magma at all in Europe. Actually ,for me,some of the Offering material performed was as powerful as the old Magma stuff
It has been confirmed to me that the box is NOT remastered. It is the same old versions only repackaged. The booklets look very very nice OTOH. Too bad they opted for that solution instead of having them all remastered like it was planned.
Just noticed on the Seventh record website they have a MAGMA 2009 CALENDAR for 20 euros. Looks interesting, some totally different anniversary dates to a normal calendar, guess based on the Kobaian legend!
I just got the 12CD complete Studio Zund Box, a pretty good deal at $128 shipped from Wayside...sure is a thing of beauty, each disc is a different color, matching the cover...now I have the enviable task off listening to all of their studio releases in order, a few of these I've never heard...
I could not make the 40th Anniversary Magma concerts in Paris on the 12-14th February but here is a review from a guy who posts on the Yahoo Magma-Vander group who lives in New York. Sounds like a mixed affair but typical of Vander not to play a "greatest hits" show but to showcase some new material including "Emerehert Re" which is due to come out this summer i believe. Would have likes to catch Jannick Tops Infernal Machine outfit as well. Lets hope they tour the UK, on their website they quote Germany and Japan as possible, who knows they may do the US as well! "Magma in Paris, February 12, 13, 14 2009 - A Recap" I arrived in Paris at 11:00 AM on Wednesday, February 11 2009 for 3 concerts given by my favorite group of all time, Magma. The concerts were in celebration of their 40th anniversary as a group (even though they had their 35th anniversary concerts in 2005). The concerts were to take place at Le Casino de Paris, a theater in the 9th Arrondissement, which is a section of Paris more known for its sex shops than anything else. In addition to Magma, the opening act for all three nights was Jannick Top’s Infernal Machina. Top was the bassist for Magma during their glory years of 1973 and 1974 (and also, 1976), and is a personal hero of mine. His new album, also called Infernal Machina, is a throwback to the glory days of Magma, and to tell you the truth, I wanted to see Jannick just as much as I wanted to see Magma. After taking the RER B train from the airport to Gare de Nord, and taking the number 2 train to the Pigalle stop, I managed to find my hotel. I used my time-honored technique of sleeping for a few hours immediately after arriving in Europe so that I would have energy for the night’s festivities. I picked a 3-star hotel that I found on Expedia that was only about a ten minute walk from Le Casino. Typical 3-star Paris hotel … clean, sparse (not even a clock in the room), and cable TV. That night, there was a pre-festivities dinner at a Southwestern French restaurant that was organized by Yann Richard (yannzeuhlwortz). Besides Yann and me, in attendance that night were photographer Fabrice Journo (Riah), Fanny Layani (A-Fiieh) and Muriel Huster (a photographer who is not on the Magma forum). Later, we were joined by Marcello and Tathiane, two Brazilian Magma fans who live in Los Angeles, and whom I met in 2007 in Nancy, France. Thankfully, between the courses of escargot and Magret de Canard, everyone mostly spoke English to me, and thus spared me the pain of inflicting my self-taught French upon the fair people of Paris. Yann had a friend who had seen Magma two weeks before in Toulouse. Yann relayed to me a mini-review that his friend had given. The review consisted of the single sentence “Magma is Dead, Long Live Magma.” This review turned out to be very prophetic. Then I was told that Magma was supposed to play the same exact set every night, and they had no special guests scheduled. ****!!!! I thought that, for their 40th anniversary, they would trot out some of their masterpieces. But, this was going to be 3 nights of new or unrecorded compositions. Everyone had planned to meet up at the brasserie across the street from Le Casino at 5:00 PM the next day. I spent most of Thursday sleeping, as I went to sleep around 4 in the morning. At 5:00, a small contingent of Magma fans had started to gather at the brasserie. I met my old pal Robert Guillerault from Bordeaux, who runs the Magma Web Pressbook. Robert speaks no English and I cannot understand his spoken French, so we spent a half hour gesturing wildly in the air. We were soon joined by some of the other Zeuhl Kombattahnts that I only knew from the French Magma forums. Fabrice, Yann, Fanny, and Muriel soon arrived. Marino (hpl) came from Venice, and brought me some DVDs of some live shows. Maxence (Zwenskaia) from Montpelier came by, as well as photographer-supreme Madi, Francis Lecointe (who has graciously bought the tickets for me), old friend Fabrice Bellearbe (Barfix), ace photographer Marco Tchamp, Roman (Peaudhorse), and more. Magma themselves came by for their pre-concert drinks. Robert introduced me to Magma bassist Philippe Bussonet, who seemed thoroughly unimpressed that I came from New York to see them. I also got to shake hands with Stella Vander and Herve Aknin. I usually try to avoid contact with bands that I like; I am a firm believer in the old adage “Never meet your heroes because you will inevitably be disappointed.” At 7:30, we all staggered across the street to the venue. Inside, I met old friend Gaeten Villard (Zess), and I finally met British magma fanatics Steve Ashworth and Steve Davis. Steve Davis has one of the few English websites devoted to Magma. Steve is well-known in England for his exploits in the world of Snookers, which is much like the American game of Pool. In fact, he was 6 or 7-time world snookers champion, and now, devotes a substantial amount of his time playing professional poker. Steve also brought the Magma offshoot group, Offering, to the UK in the mid 1980’s. Steve and I have been corresponding at infrequent intervals over the years, so it was great to put a face to the name. Both Steves had brought their girlfriends to the Magma show, which I thought was a very dicey proposition. The seats in Le Casino were uncomfortable, to say the least. The amount of space between the rows of seats was designed for little Frenchmen, not for big Americans. At about 8:15, the first group, Jannick Top’s Infernal Machina, came on. The group consisted of two drummers (one playing a large Japanese Koto drum), bass, guitar, electric piano, and two vocalists. One of the vocalists was Klaus Blasquiz, who was Magma’s vocalist during the glory years. The other vocalist was a tall, blond woman who was the subject of much conversation over the next three days. After a soft opening section of cello and percussion, Top’s band ripped into the full force of the composition. Most of the hour-long piece consisted of the group jamming out on various old Magma themes, including parts of MDK, Kohntarkosz (the ending section), and De Futura. I loved it. There were various issues with the sound system on the first night. From where we were sitting in the third row of the mezzanine, the sound was too muddy. Luckily, over the next two nights, the sound improved a great deal. In a portent of things to come, Magma also had technical issues at the start. They opened the concert with a brand new piece, only to have Bussonet’s amplifier shut off after the first few chords. Vander signaled for the band to stop, and Bussonet took a few minutes to rectify the situation. The first piece is unnamed as of now. To my ears, it sounds as if Christian Vander has been listening to a lot of Steve Reich. Two main themes play off of each other in this composition. First, there is a Reich-like ostinato pattern that is played by the vibes, guitar, and electric piano. This is overlaid by a more Magma-like vocal line that is sung by Herve Aknin, the new vocalist who recently replaced Antoine Paganotti. As these two themes move in and out of phase, the drums and bass punctuate the music with a series of intermittent crashes. This goes on for about ten minutes, building up to a climax. The second piece was a real snoozer for me. It is a 25 minute piece named Felicite Thosz, and is reminiscent of the vocal-intensive Magma offshoot called Offering. To my ears, it sounded like a combination of Magma playing Christmas songs with Magma doing a mouthwash commercial. There were lots of vocal solos and harmonies and sleigh bells … and for me, a reason to catch up on my sleep. A bit of promise in the last section with a Russian-dance theme, ala Wurdah Itah, but no real punch. Polite applause from the audience at the end. The third piece was Emehnteht-Re, which is third piece of the Magma trilogy that includes Kohntarkosz and Theusz Hamtaahk. It is an hour-long piece that unites several of Magma’s previously-recorded themes. I first saw Magma perform this piece in Brooklyn at Club Europa in June of 2007. Since then, Vander has reworked the piece in various minor ways. The piece now seems more coherent to me. The piece starts out with Rinde from the Attahk album, transitioning into Hhai, transitioning into Zombies, and ending with a dirge that represents the funeral of an Egyptian king. The Zombies section is supposed to be the atom bomb in the piece. About 10 minutes of unadulterated Zeuhl madness, and is supposed to be the centerpiece for Vander’s remarkable drumming. For the first night, Vander seemed rather subdued. I am not sure if it is his age catching up to him or the tendonitis that has been bothering him for the past few years. E-R was followed by the cacophonous De Futura. This is a Jannick Top composition that appeared on the Magma album, Udu Wudu, in 1976. When it was recorded, it was a sparse but rhythmically driven piece that only included bass, drums, occasional synthesizer, and growling vocals. However, for the 3 concerts, it was played by the total combined forces of Magma and Infernal Machina. 15 people on the stage, including 3 drummers, two guitars, two basses, two pianists, and 5 vocalists. All I can say is “What a mess!” Remember the blond vocalist from Infernal Machina? The running joke during the 3 nights of the show was “What will she be wearing during De Futura?” Each night, she seemed to come out with less and less clothes on, and during the afternoon, she must have been shopping for her next costume at the shops next to the Moulon Rouge. The performance of De Futura was extremely sloppy, as confirmed by a lot of the opinions I heard the next day at lunch. As an encore, Magma finished with Ballade, which is Vander’s moving tribute to his idol, John Coltrane. A beautiful piece with lots of rich harmonies, and featuring Vander doing his famous scat-singing in Kobaian. After the concert, a lot of the Magma fans gravitated to another brasserie that was a few blocks up from the concert hall. This was to be a nightly occurrence that kept me out until 2:00 AM. I spent most of the time with the only other native English speakers, Steve Davis and his girlfriend, Jeannie, talking about Magma, snookers, and poker. You can actually watch videos on YouTube of Steve playing snookers at the various stages of his career. Steve was also able to satisfy some of my curiosity about the Women’s Pro Pool circuit in the US. The next day, we had a wonderful Zeuhl lunch at Le Triton, a jazz club in Paris that Magma has played in many times. The talk around the table was about the collective disappointment of the previous night’s concert. There was consensus about the lack of “punch” in the songs and about the poor sound quality. If you ever find yourself in Paris to see a show at Le Triton, I hardily recommend eating there before the show … the food does not disappoint. After a brief siesta, it was back to the brasserie for some beers, and onto the show. Friday night’s concert was noticeably better. The word must have gotten to the bands about the poor performance on Thursday, and there were great improvements in the sound and in the quality of playing. It was the same set list, but it seemed that Infernal Machina really jammed out on the De Futura-sounding section, and Magma did the same on the Zombies section of E-R. And, the blond vocalist did not disappoint, as she seemed to outdo her previous night’s antics. Would someone tell Jannick that her presence on stage seriously detracts from his music! I also met some other fans from the French Magma forum. People like Eric (RI Kobaia), Maahnt (name unknown), Bruno (Nohb), Fatcat (name unknown), JC Alluin, Allain Julliac (Chicago), Bernard (Wurd), and others. I was surprised to see Steve Ashworth’s girlfriend return for the last two nights, as she did not seem happy after the first night. Marcello and Tathiane were so bummed out by Thursday night’s performance that they did not attend on Friday. The next day, Guy and Bernadette Mas organized a nice lunch across the street from Les Halles. Lots of wine, laughter, broken French and broken English. Fanny and Fab Journo could not attend the show on Saturday, so we said goodbye to them. At the pre-concert meet-up, I had the chance to meet and talk to Klaus Blasquiz, who is friends with Marcello and Tathianne. Very nice guy and speaks impeccable English. I did not have the nerve to ask Klaus about all of the old Magma tapes that he has stored in his basement. (He was Magma’s archivist during the early years, and I cannot imagine the riches that he has hidden away.) At the bar, we ran into Offering’s old drummer, Jean-Claud Buire. He must have been drinking for the entire day. He sat behind us during the first half of the show on Saturday night, and made a total *** of himself, shouting, hissing and whooping every few seconds. I had to restrain myself from throwing him off of the balcony … I might have if I had been able to move my knees (if you recall, my knees felt like they were in a vice because of the little amount of room between the rows of seats). Saturday night’s show might have been the best. Even the super-group that played De Futura seemed to be in sync. I congratulate Jon Grandcamp, the drummer for Infernal Machina, for having so much restraint and letting Vander do most of the drumming. After the show on Saturday night, we tried to go to the usual brasserie again, but for some reason, it was closed, as were some of the other brasseries around. New York City still retains the title of the “City that Never Sleeps”. I said my goodbyes to Madi and Maxence, and even said goodbye to Jean-Claude Buire, who had stumbled into the only open bar in town. Why did I go to Paris for these three days? Christian Vander is 61 years old, and Magma won’t be around forever. I need to be able to see Magma while Vander is still able to play. For me, it’s like being able to see the last days of Michael Jordan or Babe Ruth. But the biggest reason for me to have gone to Paris was to see all of the great friends that I have made through Magma, and those are the memories that I like to keep.
There is some fair footage of the 40th Anniversary gig on the 14th February (the best night) on Utube; Link below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VsO0HesQpo
Does anyone that has the Studio Zund box set care to comment on the sound quality? I have 1001 Centigrades and MDK on Seventh and they sound great.
I have it, it sounds good to me...I can't believe what a horrible CD Merci is...it's is so bad, yet the last song Elphias Levi is so great ! Another wierd thing is on the great Archive 1 & 2, the soundtrack (part one of disc 2) is a needle-drop from a really bad LP that seems to not have been exactly round, judging from the really audible LP scratch noise...I never noticed how indebted to Zappa's Mothers and Pharoah Saunders Magma was, the early stuff sounds particularly Zappa inspired, and the first guitarist (on Kobia) who is WAY awesome, sounds a lot like Sonny Sharrock in parts (Sharrock played on Pharoah Saunders' Tauhid LP, which Vanders talks about being influenced by in the liner notes) One song on the Archive disc sounds exactly like a Pharoah Sanders kosmikgroove piece form the same era, like about 1971 and Black Unity or Deaf Dumb Blind...probably Vander saw Pharoah in France around this era, as I have a few of his shows from France in the early seventies (what a great double bill THAT woulda been!) ...anyone wanting to get this just for the 2 disc Archive thing (supposedly not to be released elsewhere) can wait for the 4-10-09 SHM-CD mini-LP release in Japan of all these on mini-LP...I may get the Kohntarkosz mini-LP box next month, and sell this...another interesting thing about the liner notes is how Vander says that he played MDK for Mike Oldfield at the Manor when they were recording it, and he stole it for his sooner-released Tubular Bells LP (they do sound very similar)...overall a cool box, but the way they put the booklets in the digi-paks and the construction of them leaves a lot to be desired, as the edges get bent...
Unfortunately. Apparently a remastering was planned as Francis Linon (Magma's sound engineer) told me. It must have been scrapped at the last minute.
Thanks guys. I think those Seventh CDs sound pretty decent, so I'll probably pick up this box for the extra material and albums I don't have.
I was quite surprised yesterday to see a new reissue of MDK and 1001° on vinyl in the Universal "Back to Black" series. As the "Back to Black" have had very poor reviews here on the forum, I thought I'd stay away from these... No word about this on the official site...
tommorow Im gonna buy the Kohntarkosz SHM CD mini LP Box, just released on 4/25, which has the 1st 6 LPs thru Live...ie pretty much all the essential stuff...the good thing about this is it has the original cover of Vanders Christian et Iseult, unlike the Studio Zund Box (which Ill be selling in the classifieds when I get back) Im psyched, checkitout: http://diskunion.net/portal/ct/news/article/0/7959
its about $200, but Im doing all I can to help out the economy! Ill be geting the Tangerine Dream and Wigwam boxes too, cause life is too short ! Ill see when I get back if theres any difference...
I bought this box, pretty sweet! I didnt know that MDK was a gatefold...does anyone know about the 2 bonus tracks on Live Hhai ? I assume theyre from the original LP but were omitted to make it one CD, have these ever appeared on CD before? Ëmëhntëht-Rê (end of disc 1) and Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanïk (before MDK on disc 2) ??? Cant complain, its almost 15 extra minutes Ive never herad before...
Nope - both previously unreleased prior to the 2CD Seventh edition. Nothing was omitted to fit it on one disc. Is 'Inedits' really not included on the mini-LP box? That's odd.
Those tracks first appeared on CD in 1993 when Vander remixed and issued the double live album on Seventh. Retitled Live/Hhai, this is probably the most famous Magma CD release on Seventh. The two bonus tracks did not appear on the original double LP. Man, Disk Union must want to breed with you! An entire 12CD box of Magma from someone unaware of these tracks? You never bought Live/Hhai on CD? Wow, you are in for a treat! I've ordered this set, too. I wonder how the transfers work? Does Seventh just send Disk Union the Seventh CDs? I would suspect that's the case, but then wouldn't that defeat the whole point of SHM? How can you extract more data out of a disc where the SHM sales pitch is that such a disc doesn't extract all of the data with as much precision as SHM in the first place? Well, I'm buying this for the sleeves anyway. I don't expect them to be any better than the Seventh CDs, but some of these albums on vinyl cost a small fortune. Although it appears some vinyl repressings on Seventh are starting to come out. If that happens I'll surely sell this SHM box, but in the meantime ... what the heck.
yeah Jeff, and I want to breed with Disk Union !..I have the Tomato version of Live...I only bought the Kohntarkosz box (with the 1st 6 LPs thru Live) which they almost didnt want to sell me because youre supposed to get all 12 in the 2 small boxes which fit inside the big one...going back today to buy more stuff this time Im concentrating on Japanese prog psych and jazz, lotsa stuff from the Japanrocksampler book...
If I lived there I'd be out of control and unable to even reason with myself about sound quality... So believe me, I understand. The good news about the Magma minis is that I guess they aren't remastered. Just the Seventh CDs transferred to SHM CDs and put into cooler sleeves.
