SH Spotlight The True Story of the "Into the Mystic" mixing goof on Van Morrison's "Moondance" album

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    They had a killer album and they knew it.
     
  2. Claus

    Claus Senior Member

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    Wow... interesting story!!!
     
  3. JeffN727

    JeffN727 Forum Resident

    Very interesting. Thanks for the info. Now it's off to find a copy with the original mix.
    :righton:
     
  4. Ben Sinise

    Ben Sinise Forum Reticent

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    There should be lots of pristine copies available soon for around $25 :shh:
     
  5. Damián

    Damián Forum Hall Of Fame

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    :D*

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  6. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

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    Thanks for sharing that with us Steve.

    I guess I've yet to hear the tambourine version.
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host Thread Starter

    Most people have not heard it which is the exact opposite of what Van Morrison wanted. Heck, he got a "tambourine" credit on the album jacket!

    Irony..
     
  8. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    And most of us will probably never hear it.... :cry:

    It's gotta be pretty hard to find - and I'll bet that not too many of them made it outside the USA!
     
  9. James Glennon

    James Glennon Forum Resident

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    Interestingly enough, my UK copy (BS 1835, no RE-1 in the deadwax) has the tambourine on the right channel. So I won't have to get used to 'hearing' the tambourine for the first time! Yippee!

    JG
     
  10. MikeT

    MikeT Prior Forum Cretin and Current Impatient Creep

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    I love stories like this. Brings me that much closer to being an insider. :)
     
  11. rburly

    rburly Sitting comfortably with Item 9

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    Thanks for the inside story, Steve.

    I've never heard the tamborine version. The version that I'm familiar with is with the 'foghorn' effect fading in and out.

    Thanks for the 'new' info. Who knew?
     
  12. Joe Koz

    Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ In Memoriam

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    Great story, Steve!

    Now I'm going to have to check all of my pressings for the other version...:agree:
     
  13. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Joe! 9,999 posts?!?!?
     
  14. Pug

    Pug Elitist Snob

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    John,

    Next time you are out here I can play it for you. :agree: My green label WB LP has the tambourine. :cool:
     

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  15. doowopman

    doowopman Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Thanks for the great story Steve!

    It looks like the hunt for the tambourine version begins. :D
     
  16. Kent Teffeteller

    Kent Teffeteller New Member

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    Hi,

    About the quote of "Not too many of those are outside the USA". There should be a fair amount of pre-RE1 copies with tambourine and foghorn mix. After all, these were pressed in the UK, West Germany, Sweden, and Norway at least. The WB Norway issue even uses 1A/1A stampers! The US common version became available there around 1976! Ingrid and I have all of these pressings purchased new between 1971-1975. Happy hunting!
     
  17. LeeS

    LeeS Blue Note Fan

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    Fascinating story Steve. Thanks for the history lesson on one of my favorite albums. :)
     
  18. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Forum Resident

    As great as the whole album is, they really front-loaded side one with the very best songs. Interesting to see the earlier track sequences that spread the "hits" out more evenly on both sides.
     
  19. Steve Litos

    Steve Litos Forum Resident

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    Great story! They really "stacked the deck" with the A-Side. The B-Side is still good, but the A-Side is one of the best of all time.
     
  20. Cassius

    Cassius On The Beach

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    FWIW My Copy is like Get Rythym's in the fact that it has the tambourine, W7 labels, and the RE-1 1-C matrix.

    So I am taking this to mean that it was cut soon after the stop presses/correction came down in early 1970.

    Meaning that there are W7 tambouine copies which were made in early 70, as well as the possibility that there were later W7s, after the tambourine mix stampers had been retired, that were pressed at an undisclosed later date.


    The curious thing to me is the fact that the 1-C cutting with tambourine, must have come early, so logically why would it not be the 1-b?

    One would think with the timeline outlined by Steve that by the time 1-c was cut that it would have been using the goofed up non tambourine mix.

    Or perhaps I have confused myself in the process, anyone?

    Clay
     
  21. Onward

    Onward Forum Resident

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    Cool! I'm off to the local record stores :)

    Oh, and cool story, this forum rocks :edthumbs:
     
  22. -Ben

    -Ben Forum Resident

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    Let's start with your first sentence.

    You are confused, probably because we started this discussion in a previous thread. GetRhythm's copy is a W7 but DOES NOT have the tambourine and DOES NOT have RE-1 1-C matrix.

    Read posts #42 and #47 of this thread:
    http://stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=102501&page=3
     
  23. Metoo

    Metoo Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Thanks Steve for this information. And thanks "insider." In my book it is things like these that give value to delving a little deeper when listening to recordings. Knowing the context of things also makes one value much more what is on record as well a get a feel of the times. :)
     
  24. Cassius

    Cassius On The Beach

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    Gotcha, I read that one too, but didn't take notes.

    Any theory on why there wasn't a 1-B RE-1 ?

    Thanks

    C
     
  25. Wilkie

    Wilkie New Member

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    According to Casino's post, 39621 WS1835A RE1-1B was a "tambourine mix".
     
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