The Who Fillmore East 1968

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by whodanny, Feb 13, 2018.

  1. Dr. Robert

    Dr. Robert Forum Reconstructor

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    Really? It's one of the reasons I love that that record! Lots more of ratatadumdumdumtata than of psshhhhshaaaaaapshhhh, as it should be. Quadrophenia, on the other hand... :D
     
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  2. Clarkophile

    Clarkophile Through the Morning, Through the Night

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    I don’t think this is accurate. I’ll check in a bit unless someone else cares to, but I think the removal of drums and cymbals was on one specific occasion—for the basic, straightforward approach desired for ‘Join Together’ (which was, in my opinion, a terrible decision; one that resulted in a frustrating, bizarre and uninspired performance from Keith. I remember thinking it sounded like he had one arm tied behind his back).
     
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  3. Dr. Robert

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    March 1971 picture, from the Who's Next sessions. Notice only three cymbals and a gazillion toms. Join Together was only recorded in early 1972. And it does sound bad, :D
     
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  4. lukpac

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    The only photos I can recall from that era are from the Record Plant; Johns wasn’t involved with those sessions.

    I don’t recall any photos from Stargroves or Olympic.
     
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  5. lukpac

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    Record Plant. Nothing to do with Glyn Johns.

    All Keith.
     
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  6. Dr. Robert

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    Yeah, the pic I just posted was from Record Plant, but he kept the same Ludwig kit and setup for the England sessions as well. So valid enough, except Glyn wasn't the culprit :D
     
  7. chacha

    chacha Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    Yeah, I’m one of the very few who’s not crazy about Next and Quadrophenia. It was such a different sound for the band and I didn’t care for it . I didn’t like Glyn Johns sound. Much preferred Kit Lambert as a producer- low Fi but max Vision. But that’s just me.
     
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  8. Dr. Robert

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    I'm a pretty big fan of Glynnis, so that might cloud my judgement a bit :D
     
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  9. keifspoon

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    You sir are definitely in the minority.
     
  10. chacha

    chacha Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    No question bout that! I totally get why everybody loves that stuff. Just not my thing.
     
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  11. lukpac

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    When did Keith have more cymbals before 1971? He definitely got more toms around that time, but I don’t think he reduced his cymbals much or at all.
     
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  12. Dr. Robert

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    If you compare his kit from the Tommy Tour - Isle of Wight era to the one on the pic, there was a considerable decrease on the number of cymbals, if I'm not mistakem
     
  13. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    I believe you’re mistaken.

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  14. marmalade166

    marmalade166 Sous les pavés, la plage!

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    Not just you, I'm also a big fan of that pinched sound that Kit got in the '60s, after that it all sounds too clean (and pompous tbh) to me
     
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  15. Chris Schoen

    Chris Schoen Rock 'n Roll !!!

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    Relax and Shakin' All Over are great, the rest I will probably not play again. The band has not really yet formed completely what would become Leeds...
     
  16. hurple

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    Oh dear lord... that kit sounded horrid. Quite possibly the worst sounding kit ever in a major touring act.

    I've read the only reason he dropped that great white kit was Daltrey throwing a fit that it was a single-bass and the Who didn't look right without a double-bass drum kit.

    I hope that's not true, because that's silly. But, you know those rock 'n' roll egos.
     
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  17. keifspoon

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    And later when Kenney did go with the double-bass drum kit he still didn't use the second drum.
     
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  18. mw1917

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    It's not true:
    Kenny Jones - Modern Drummer Magazine

    KJ: I don’t play double bass drum. I do everything on one foot. Since I’ve got two bass drums up there, a lot of people have said to me, “I really like your double bass drums. You really know how to use it.” I do it all on one foot. Now will you all believe me? I’ve got a quick right foot. You don’t need two bass drums anyway. It’s ludicrous. It’s up there purely and simply to balance out the kit and it’s a stand to mount two extra tom-toms on. You don’t need any more than that. In fact, I would advise a drummer never to play two bass drums. It will throw you instantly off where the beat naturally falls and you’ll end up playing in between that. It’s totally wrong and uncomfortable.
     
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  19. mw1917

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    Given how monstrous the same kit sounded on Live Aid, I put it down to miking/mix on the '82 tour rather than the drums being Yamaha. I personally prefer Premier (and, apparently, alliteration), but Yamahas of that era have a great sound. The difference in tonality between Toronto 12/17/82 and Live Aid is night and day, and it's the same kit on both shows.
     
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  20. Same here, his incredible discography speaks for itself.
     
  21. J_D__

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    He used one foot and it sure sounds like he used one hand with his playing in The Who.
     
  22. keifspoon

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    The camera shots from the back from that show is where you can clearly see him only using the one bass drum. I agree about the sound of his kit that day, he sounded even better than John and Pete.
     
  23. reb

    reb Money Beats Soul

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    Jones played the hi-hat with his left foot and the kick drum with the right. He would of had to of changed his drumming style in order to play a double bass drum. I'm not a drummer, however I think that incorporating a second bass drum into your kit when your an established drummer is likely quite difficult to master.
     
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  24. hurple

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    This has nothing to do with anything I said. Honestly, do you think if he only added a second bass because Daltrey threw a hissy-fit about it that he would really claim that as the reason in an interview? Really?

    The, I use it as a stand to balance the kit claim is a load of obvious bollocks. The white kit (was it Premiere?) was fine. (And sure sounded better than the Yamaha kit)
     
  25. hurple

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    Thought it sounded bad at Live Aid too. However, it did sound decent at the BMI awards a few years later.

    Yamaha drums are decent drums. Maybe it was the heads he was using then? Well, that and the miking and mixing, as you say.
     

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