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Those "Who is the best..." polls; A perspective worth considering.

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Brian Lux, Apr 8, 2021.

  1. Brian Lux

    Brian Lux One in the Crowd Thread Starter

    Location:
    Placerville, CA
    Those "Who is the best..." polls are always fun and interesting and I'm a sucker for them. But today, I ran across this perspective that is well worth at least considering. It's in a book that I'm reading that is easily one of the best music related books I've yet to come across called Ascension; John Coltrane and His Quest by Eric Nisenson. It's basically a biography of John Coltrane, but Nisenson covers a lot of ground regarding jazz in general in this most excellent, captivating book. In the second chapter (pages 21-22), the author talks about the emergence in the 1950's of two great tenor saxophonists, John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins. He says,

    "The difficulty is that he [Rollins] was constantly compared with Coltrane, and in the late Fifties jazz fans and critics loved to argue over which one was "better", as if there were some way of objectively determining the relative quality of two men who were clearly both great artists and virtuosos of their instrument. Both men were musical geniuses with very different but equally valid artistic agendas. Here is an aspect of the jazz scene that I truly find regrettable, this spirit of competitiveness engendered by the jazz polls and by too many fans and critics. This most American music could not help adopting certain less fortunate traits of its native land, such as the extreme competitiveness so endemic to the American way of life. In art, competition, though perhaps unavoidable, is basically irrelevant. Both Coltrane and Rollins were ultimate masters of their instruments and the art of improvisation, and the style of each man was so deeply personal that comparisons are fruitless."


    When I read these words, I really had to pause and think about all these "Who is the best..." polls. It became even more provocative when I read on:

    "Nevertheless, the competition, engendered by the jazz press and continued in every bar or hangout where jazz fans gathered, became intense enough to force Sonny Rollins into a retirement that lasted about two years. What was worse, it put a crimp in the friendship between the two men."

    That read like a tragedy to me.
     
  2. onlyconnect

    onlyconnect The prose and the passion

    Location:
    Winchester, UK
    I agree. It is corrosive.

    Tim
     
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  3. Brian Lux

    Brian Lux One in the Crowd Thread Starter

    Location:
    Placerville, CA
    It really is. I'll never look at another poll of that sort the same again. Sometimes the things that can be so obvious just get overlooked too easily. I'm guessing this thread will, as well, which is no bother to my ego whatsoever, but I hope some will at least consider Nisenson's words.
     
  4. vinylontubes

    vinylontubes Forum Resident

    Location:
    Katy, TX
    I avoid this kind of thing. While I will admit to having favorites, I won't normally delineate it down to who is better than the other to isolate the absolute favorite. I don't see any point this kind of thought.
     
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  5. kevin5brown

    kevin5brown Cucaracha Expert

    +1000. I have written more on this in the past, but the quick version is: when I think of the artists/bands that I like, I do NOT think of who's better or worse, I do not think of the albums or songs that I like more or that I like less, I focus on the positive aspects of each that I like that differentiates each one from another. All those threads that rank tunes on an album? Round 1, round2? I have better things to do with my time. Life's too short to focus on the negative. Similar to the 1st post, BOTH Sonny Rollins and John Coltrane have things to offer, and I like BOTH but for different reasons. One is not better than the other. They are different, and valued by me each for those different reasons.
     
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