Three (Now Eight) Upcoming Sinatra/Capitol Titles on MFSL LP & SACD*

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  1. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    Well, yeah....that 2-track tape mix is VASTLY (yes, vastly) superior to the stereo LP mix (IMHO), but it's also missing tracks, so that's not going to happen. My question: How are they going to handle "I Cover the Waterfront" on the upcoming LP release? The 1983 MFSL LP was apparently a very early digital mastering (at least for side 1), so will they be going that route again, or just skipping that cut that does not appear on the stereo master?

    MFSL has done some good things with Sinatra and some "meh"-level stuff. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on these, as I'm very curious to hear them.

    Matt
     
    MLutthans, Aug 29, 2012
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  2. monewe

    monewe Forum Resident

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    Excited, hell yeah!!!! This news has made my day
     
    monewe, Aug 29, 2012
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  3. Jayson Wall

    Jayson Wall Forum Resident

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    I own that 2-track as well, and it’s wonderful (missing tracks and all) but these still will be a “wait and see” release for me. I just played the mono SWINGIN' SESSION this evening and I keep asking myself “do I need another stereo copy that I never play?”
     
    Jayson Wall, Aug 29, 2012
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  4. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member Thread Starter

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    For me, it depends on what they do with the SACD versions. That's what I find most worthy of anticipation in the announcement.

    Not an issue if they give us the mono LP. That's what I'm hoping for.
     
    Bob F, Aug 29, 2012
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  5. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    SFF member "Guest" announced the coming of the MFSL "Sings for Only the Lonely," this way, on May 24, 2008:
    I'm assuming that text was borrowed from MFSL promo materials. Since they (MFSL and SFF) are not trumpeting a "first time ever" release on this go round, I'm assuming it'll be Ye Olde Stereo mix....but I'd be happy to be wrong, and it (my being wrong) wouldn't be a first! :)

    Matt
     
    MLutthans, Aug 29, 2012
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  6. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member Thread Starter

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    As someone who is quite familiar with that particular "Guest" ;) , I can confirm that those descriptions came directly from the MoFi website. The post also included a link and images which are now non-existent on that website. Until MFSL publishes a similar announcement this time around, I remain hopeful for a mono release of WHERE ARE YOU, Matt.

    Remember that all we have so far are brief mentions by Nancy Sinatra, no details. (Which I find surprising, considering the closeness of these release dates.)
     
    Bob F, Aug 29, 2012
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  7. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    ^^^^That would be cool, Bob! Fingers crossed....

    Matt
     
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  8. TimM

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    It would be nice to see all the Capital titles done. It would be even better if they could be done in some organized pattern, but I'm happy to at least get something. These seem sort of random, but maybe there is a plan of some sort.
     
    TimM, Aug 29, 2012
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  9. paulmock

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    Lost among all the "what if's" and "it would nice if's" is the ONE Sinatra Capitol concept album never touched by MSFL/MoFi. I speak of "Point of No Return". It was blatantly left off the Silver Box and has never been given the audiophile treatment by MoFi in any form. Oh sure, it's easy to write it off as Mr. S's "walk-thru" album, etc. That point is not for discussion here. The question is why not finally give this fine/historic album it's proper place among the MoFi's and give it an LP/SACD release?
     
    paulmock, Aug 29, 2012
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  10. TimM

    TimM Senior Member

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    I agree, it is one of my very favorites and it deserves a place somewhere in a good reissue program. I just listened to it Tuesday evening with the lights low and a glass of wine.:righton:
     
    TimM, Aug 30, 2012
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  11. Loud Listener

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    I had not heard the MFSL Where Are You LP was cut from a digital master. I know it and the 1984 Alan Dell digital LP are from two completely different tapes.

    'I Cover The Waterfront' (Master #E-17008) was recorded in the same session as Lonely Town (Master #E-17009), Laura (Master #E-17010), and Baby, Won't You Please Come Home (Master #E-17011) according to the MFSL LP notes, so I would expect it to have been recorded on 3 track. But maybe they had technical difficulties with that one.

    I always assumed that when it came time to mix the stereo LP they either decided to leave it off the LP or couldn't find the 3 track master. It has always seemd kind of out of place with the other songs to me, it has a different feel.
     
    Loud Listener, Aug 30, 2012
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  12. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    It took me a while, Bob, but your wish is my command: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=8041507#post8041507

    Matt
     
    MLutthans, Sep 2, 2012
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  13. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Thank you, Matt! Shame about the "lawyer-friendly" requirement, but at least they won't be sending Toody and Muldoon to your door. ;)
     
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  14. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    I can handle Toody! I just need to avoid Muldoon.
     

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  15. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa I'm an ear sitting in the sky

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    Wow, I just saw this thread! This is fantastic news!
     
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  16. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa I'm an ear sitting in the sky

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    Awwww ****!!! you got me!!
     
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  17. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member Thread Starter

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    :D I'd be more worried about this guy.

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  18. MMM

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    Unless my memories are off, there are Mobile Fidelity test pressings of POINT OF NO RETURN from when they did their SINATRA box set in 1983.
     
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  19. niceneasy

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    And an extra slot in the box, although perhaps that was intended for "A Jolly Christmas", which ended up available separately...
     
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  20. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    The test pressing that was withdrawn from Ebay sale belonged (at the time, at least) to a member here.
     
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  21. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa I'm an ear sitting in the sky

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    Interesting. So why did they keep it out of the box?
     
    aoxomoxoa, Sep 4, 2012
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  22. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member Thread Starter

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    I don't know if it's been discussed previously, but this is from John Rockwell's 1983 New York Times review of the MFSL box:

    Link: VINTAGE SINATRA IN AN EXPENSIVE PACKAGE - NYTimes.com

    I don't think either of those reasons fits POINT OF NO RETURN, though. For whatever reason, Sinatra's final Capitol concept album never got the respect it deserves.
     
    Bob F, Sep 9, 2012
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  23. hodgo

    hodgo Tea Making Gort (Yorkshire Branch) Staff

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    Bob, I agree with you 100% "Point Of No Return" is one of my favourite Sinatra albums, it has a beauty all of it's own and I think it's fitting tribute to Axel Stordahl that it was Franks last Capitol album.
     
    hodgo, Sep 9, 2012
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  24. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

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    I'm a big fan of the album, too, and it's too bad that it gets the red-headed stepchild treatment far too often. It's not a genuine masterpiece, but it's a strong album on its own terms.

    Matt
     
    MLutthans, Sep 9, 2012
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  25. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    Some of the finest individual performances of his Capitol career (e.g., "When the World was Young," I'll Remember April," and "There Will Never Be Another You").

    Sure, he "walked through" a few of the other tracks, but the ones mentioned above make it well-worth the price of admission.

    My favorite Sinatra cover, as well, by the way. (Did that lady never show for a rendezvous at the Plaza Hotel....?)
     
    rangerjohn, Sep 9, 2012
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