Tim Buckley: Album by Album, note for note appreciation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by lemonade kid, Oct 20, 2020.

  1. CliffL

    CliffL Forum Resident

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    This was the song that introduced me to Tim Buckley in 1972...I was listening to an underground FM rock station called KPRI late one night and this amazing song came on that caught my attention in a major way...I was mesmerized by the performance and was keeping my fingers crossed that the "laid-back" DJ would announce the artist or song title. Sure enough he did, and I wrote down the singer's name and the song title on a piece of paper (used to do that all the time back in those days). I had never heard of Tim Buckley before, but I definitely was interested...it was one of those songs that I just had to own. I tracked the Goodbye And Hello album down about a month or so later and to make a long story short it became one of my favorite LPs when I was in high school (and still is.) Everything about "I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain" is great...the vocal, the steadily increasing tempo of the musical arrangement, the intense, poetic lyrics (which at the time I didn't know were autobiographical). It sounded like nothing else I had ever heard...also I really dug the conga drumming by Carter C.C. Collins that drives the song along with real ferocity. This is still one of my contenders for my favorite Tim Buckley song. One of the surprises when I got the album was the song ''Morning Glory"...I had heard it before by another artist (Blood Sweat and Tears) and thought it was called "My Fleeting House". My other fave on the Goodbye and Hello album is "Pleasant Street"...another mind-blowing track. Hearing "I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain" turned me into a life-long Tim Buckley fan.
     
  2. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Wiltshire, UK
    Jazz Influences on Happy Sad

    Tim and Lee spent a lot of time in 1968 listening to jazz albums. Some of Tim’s favourites:

    Miles Davis- Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain, Porgy and Bess
    Bill Evans- Nirvana, Town Hall, Trio with Symphony Orchestra, Intermodulation, Undercurrent
    Jimmy Giuffre- The Jimmy Giuffre 3
    Gabor Szabo- Sorcerer, Spellbinder, Bacchanal
    Roland Kirk- Volunteered Slavery (Tim always spoke highly of Kirk both as a musician and human being)

    These influences lead to a more expansive, improvisatory approach to concerts. Tim didn’t like his fellow musicians to ever repeat themselves or rely on cliché. (The most important new recruit seems to have been Dave Friedman on vibes- a much older and experienced musician.) Tim was very comfortable in the studio by his 3rd album and took this one-take only, spontaneously creative mentality with him. Lee however says he always felt stiff, and put-on-the-spot in the studio and doesn’t think he ever produced his best work there.
     
  3. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    track 3) Love From Room 109 At The Islander (On Pacific Coast Highway)

    This may be my favorite for complete immersion into the jazz of Happy Sad.
    Just amazing. This blew my mind upon first listen -- it took only a couple of those
    opening magical notes on vibes. The ocean waves washing over the whole piece...wow.

    The minor to major key shifts are so lovely and sophisticated.
    Man, how old was this musical genius at this point?!


    :edthumbs:




    I was lost without a song without a melody
    You came into my hotel life
    You made my room a home
    Ah now, mama, don't you know what you done

    Ah, you made the sunshine in the city
    Oh, you warmed my heart
    You changed an old man filled with pity
    Back to a child again
    Ah now, mama, can't you see what you done

    So tell me darlin' if the feeling's wrong
    Don't waste another day
    Lord, the saddest thing I've ever known
    Was to watch it die away
    Ah now, mama, don't you lie don't you lie

    Oh, how can my giving find the rhythm and the time of you
    Unless you sing your songs to me
    The smell of your sweet skin does entangle my dream
    Oh may I stand here awhile living your smile

    Oh, how could you ever know what you've done
    You warmed my heart when I was so all alone
    But all I have to give
    Are my dreams of coming and going forever
    Inside the rivers of time you'll find me waiting
    For you to find peace in your mind
    So we can love again

    I feel what you feel
    If you feel what you feel
    And I see what you see
    If you see what you see
    So it goes on and on
    On it goes, on and on

    It's my heart and your heart
    It's our hearts together
    You sing and I'll bring
    We'll both love together
    And all I know is let it grow
    All you'll find is peace of mind

     
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  4. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    Live from Dream Letter....


    Love From Room 109/Strange Feelin'


     
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  5. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Love From Room 109

    Lemonade Kid- thanks for the twofer. I had never listened to the live version (Oct. 68) back-to-back with the longer studio version recorded 2 months later. Both special versions. Absolutely one of Tim's greatest songs and central to the whole feel of the album.

    The ocean waves- a happy accident. The respected engineer Bruce Botnick forgot to set the Dolby, leaving a lot of electric hiss on the track. Tim didn't want to redo it so he recorded the sound of the Pacific waves just by his apartment to mask the hiss.

    As for this live version of Strange Feelin'- I hadn't fully appreciated how different it is lyrically and musically from the studio version recorded soon after. Almost a completely different song- amazing.
     
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  6. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    Thanks for that...I remember that story about the hiss...definitely a happy accident.

    Tim was very against multiple takes. According to Underwood, Tim felt that with each additional take the emotion & spontaneity would be drained from the song. If an engineer/producer was unwise enough to suggest a retake, Tim would just glare at the booth, and refuse. Happy Sad was a one-take album, start to finish, it seems. Genius.
     
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  7. gazatthebop

    gazatthebop Forum Resident

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    sounds that way but it wasn't!
     
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  8. Jeff W. Richman

    Jeff W. Richman The Richman Curse www.soundclick.com/qoquaq

    “Goodbye And Hello” was my favorite album in 1967,
    when I was eight years old. (And I still love it.)

    Years later, my band from high school did
    “Phantasmagoria In Two” and “Knight Errant”.
     
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  9. gazatthebop

    gazatthebop Forum Resident

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    originally titled "Love from Room 170...."
     
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  10. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    Youngstown, Ohio
    I said I would jump in with Happy/Sad, but due to circumstances I'm late to the party.

    I have to start by repeating a story I've told several times over the years on this forum. In 1970-71 this was my absolute #1 "turn out the lights, light a candle and hop beneath the sheets with my girlfriend" album. We had other albums we turned to this purpose, of course, but this was at the top of the list.

    And these many years later when I listen to it, which I do frequently, I'm taken immediately back to those feelings of love and closeness I was experiencing back then.

    It's just an album that envelops you in overwhelming warmth and magic as it makes its way at its own pace, not constrained by any song structures. The vibes and upright bass along with Tim's ethereal 12-string strumming the somewhat unconventional electric guitar work give it a texture that is unique and incredibly affecting.

    If I believed in the "ten albums you'd take with you to a deserted island bit," which I don't, I'd have to say Happy/Sad would be one of them.
     
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  11. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    Youngstown, Ohio
    I love how this song takes its own sweet time to get going. The album's mood is immediately established with the vibes and the electric guitar (ever notice how it's out-of-tune, but it doesn't really seem to matter?).

    Serious magic going on during the instrumental break, and of course Tim's vocal is great, as it is throughout the album.
     
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  12. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    Happy/Sad's most accessible track, upbeat and positive.

    On a personal note…having a girl you're very much in love with sing the song's refrain back to you is an experience I wish everyone on earth could have just once.
     
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  13. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    This was the heart of the album for me, a song filled with wonder that works its way through several different moods, each of them more magical than the last.

    I'm glad that Tim let the track stand despite a technical flaw (though the solution to covering up that flaw was inspired, and it's hard to imagine the track without it). I can't conceive of a subsequent take bettering the one we got.

    This entire track just takes you to another place, and if you have someone to go there with you, it's golden.
     
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  14. jkauff

    jkauff Senior Member

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    Akron, OH
    I love this album, but I have to agree with the people who don't care for "Gypsy Woman". I saw Tim live a couple of times during this period, and "Gypsy Woman" was very long and drawn-out. The vocal improvisation was fascinating at first, and then fatiguing (for me anyway). By the time of the Dream Letter concert in London, it was no longer part of the setlist.
     
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  15. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Gaz, interesting.
    We assume that "Love From Room 109..." and "Gypsy Woman" were probably one-takes because of the minor controversies surrounding them. Also "Sing A Song For You" probably wasn't one-take because it was recorded at the June sessions.
    Can you tell us anything about the 3 other tracks? Cheers.
     
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  16. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Buckley/Beckett's First Song
    It's obviously an aside at this point, but I was reading an interview with Larry Beckett: he met Tim in High School and claims they wrote hundreds of songs before the 1st album. They are nearly all lost, but he says the very first song they wrote together- "Call Me If You Do"- survives courtesy of a version recorded by the Bohemians (one of Tim's High School bands) for a demo- the Orange County Demo- recorded on 8th November 1965. He says it was inspired by Lennon/McCartney.
     
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  17. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    Right, but Tim got the reputation of disliking extra takes and keep those to a minimum if possible.
     
  18. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    track 4) Dream Letter

    An ethereal beautiful and touching song. Stunningly beautiful.
    Lovely key changes and as throughout, amazing vocals.

    Love the bowed double bass.

    Can't say I've read anything about it...another bittersweet song "dedicated" to his son,
    with Tim wondering sadly about his life that could've been and his young son. Music drove Tim's life but
    it would seem like he often questioned his life choice.





    Lady time, fly away
    I've been thinkin'
    'Bout my yesterdays

    Oh please, listen darlin'
    To my empty prayer:
    Sleep inside my dreams tonight
    All I need to know tonight
    How're you and my child?

    Oh is he a soldier or is he a dreamer?
    Is he mama's little man?
    Does he help you when he can?
    Oh does he ask about me?

    Ah just like a soldier boy, Ah but I fight in wars
    The world never knows about
    Oh but I never win them loud
    Oh there's no crowds around me

    When I get to thinkin' about the old days
    When love was here to stay
    I wonder if we'd ever tried
    Oh what I'd give to hold you

     
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  19. clip

    clip peDtaH 'ej chIS qo'

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    Australia
    This was second TB album I heard after Greetings From LA and then Safronia. Still a favourite album and if I could only have two of his albums, this would be one of them.

    Dream Letter so achingly sad. I wonder if it also hints at possible drug/alcohol battle:
    Ah just like a soldier boy, Ah but I fight in wars
    The world never knows about
    Oh but I never win them loud
    Oh there's no crowds around me


    Bring on Gypsy Woman, love it! Picks me up after Dream Letter - I wonder if it did for him too?
     
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  20. mameyama

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    Dream Letter

    Lemonade kid-thanks for your lovely intro to this one. He strikes a much more conciliatory tone than "I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain". And Lee Underwood's sonic experiments on this one are gorgeous.

    It appears this track and "Sing A Song For You" are the two tracks on the album that were recorded at the June 1968 sessions and were subject to multiple takes. The other 4 tracks, I assume, were all recorded in December, by which time his attitude to multiple takes had changed. Both tracks from the June sessions fit in perfectly though.

    I have always thought that CDs of LPs recorded prior to the CD age should contain a 20 second silence track (the approx. time it takes to flip an LP and play) to clearly delineate where side A ends and side B begins. However on this record the close running together of "Love From Room 107..." and "Dream Letter" works a treat.
     
  21. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Dream Letter/Happy Time from Live In London- another gorgeous medley.

     
  22. mameyama

    mameyama Forum Resident

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    Interesting. I had always assumed he was referring to his lack of success.
     
  23. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    I love Gypsy Woman too...it foretells some of the great full blown jazz tracks from Lorca!
     
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  24. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    Hmmm....Tim was always referring to his sonas I recall, but who knows.

    Was it in the My Fleeting House doc where the story goes that Tim tells a star (while on a movie set he was at?) that Fred Neil's Dolphins was all about a father and son's deeply tragic estrangement...so she went off to find a listen and could find nothing remotely close to what Tim was talking about. Me neither...but Tim felt some real grief there.

    :shake:
     
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  25. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing Thread Starter

    To me the "out fighting Wars" lyric refers to his personal battle to win the public over to his music or even his inner creative wars with his muse that every artist experiences, and in explaining this war Tim may be telling his son that is why he is so absent from his life.

    Beckett contends that Buckley never cared a bit about real monetary success as long as he could play & record his music.
     
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