Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Angel Dream (She’s The One OST reissue)

Because it's a different performance.

They rerecorded that track for STO. The others are the same performance/recording.

[As to why the Wildflowers package includes both Climb That Hill and Climb That Hill Blues...? Well, you'll just have to ask Tom Petty... ]

 

I strongly support this statement, for the benefit of music addicts everywhere.

 

Correct. The version of "Climb That Hill" on All The Rest was recorded in November of 1993, and includes Steve Ferrone on drums and Howie Epstein on backing vocals. The version of "Climb That Hill" on Angel Dream was recorded in 1996, or possibly 1995 and features Curt Bisquera on drums and Lindsey Buckingham (ain't that ironic?) on backing vocals.

"Climb That Hill Blues" was a home recording, and I actually believed it was a demo until a dedicated "Climb That Hill" demo was played by @ryan de topanga on his SiriusXM series "Behind The Glass". @McCool said somewhere in this thread that Tom had tried to record "Climb That Hill Blues" with the band, but @ryan de topanga is the authority on whether or not the November 1993 performance is the only variation of "Climb That Hill" recorded with the full band for Wildflowers.

And, if anyone wants to know, I agree with Tom: the version of "Climb That Hill" recorded for Wildflowers is superior to the STO version, and it's a shame they never performed the song live...or did they?:



Played at the Fillmore, and features Ferrone drums and Howie on backing vocals, just like the first pass. And what do you know? It sounds quite similar to the first pass than the version that came out on STO. I would be happy as a clam if this showed up on the eventual Fillmore set, naturally in the stunning quality that @ryan de topanga delivers!

 

Clean 10-15 brand new records and see what’s at the bottom afterward. There will be some fine debris and a thin layer of “sludge” - which is readily visible if you clean the bottom with a white towel or cloth).

A mistake? How? At worst, it would be unnecessary. But a mistake? Nonsense.

You can run a car without ever changing the oil, but the engine won’t run as efficiently and you run of the risk gradually damaging it.

 

What do you use to remove the cleaning agent?

 

I see your edit now.
Yeah, I think it's a mistake.
Unless you have powerful suction to remove what you've applied--if not, on a mint record it's a waste and adds a layer noise.

I'd say your analogy, to use your verbiage, is "nonsense".

 

Yes, this is true. It’s a silly thing to argue about when it only helps the record and the cartridge and it takes 3 minutes out of your day.

 

The gunk, chunks and plastic bits at the bottom of my SpinClean after I clean a brand new record would also like to butt in, if they may.

 

Personally, I’ve seen many new records come with leftover pieces of vinyl and even powdery substances. This conversation started when someone found fingerprints on his brand new copy of Angel Dream. I made the mistake of cleaning records with hard water once and, for that reason, clean every used album I buy because the residue collected on the needle and made playback unbearable. I don’t think that every piece of vinyl used or new needs cleaning, but I just don’t see the downside.

 

I clean and dry them immediately, run them with a Hunt brush and they play perfectly. Strange that I’ve never had the noise issue.

 

I definitely don’t clean them upon each listen.
And I do know what you mean about a noisy lead in or lead out and I think it’s about drying it completely because water collects in those areas and hardens. I sometimes hear noise in the lead in but the needle cleans everything by the next listen. For me, at least.

 

Can we move the record cleaning topic to a record cleaning thread?

 

I'll see your verbiage and add an adjective. This is utter nonsense.

 

Please refer to the earlier staff comment below and move on for the sake of the thread:

 

Based on some people's experiences, I think it is possible that some folks might not understand how to clean records well or what techniques are good. Someone who thinks a properly cleaned record exhibits more noise than one that has not been cleaned at all may have had experiences where they were listening to an improperly cleaned record. A properly cleaned record will exhibit lower surface noise and higher fidelity than the same record not having been cleaned, even if new. In addition, once the record is cleaned, if it is properly maintained and stored, it doesn't need to be cleaned again and will maintain the low noise and superior sonic benefits of the original cleaning.

We have moved well beyond the era of Discwasher and the Emitex cloth. Record cleaning can be executed so much better now, and offers many benefits to the ears and the stylus.

I do not begrudge anyone who doesn't want to partake in the process - there is time and effort and expense required, and often any one of those three things can put one off the experience altogether. The rewards in the pursuit of higher fidelity reproduction often come at a cost to the listener, whether it's paying more for better pressings or better equipment, and there are many of us who are well satisfied not to go "overboard", whatever that may mean to each of us. I think all here would love to know that each of us enjoys what we hear no matter what our process.

Steering back to the topic: I cleaned my RSD copy of Angel Dream before I played it, and it sounded wonderful. I can't tell you how it would have sounded if I had not cleaned it beforehand, so my opinion on its sonics does not exist in opposition to anyone else's.

 

Wait a minute... how will you know if a record is truly 100% clean unless you try cleaning it to see if anything comes off of it? The eyeball can only tell you so much...

 

Right, but just saying... I've purchased blemish-free used records from shops and record shows in the past, that with the naked eye, appear to be fairly clean. However one or two passes with a cotton ball and 50/50 mix of distilled water/iso alcohol, and that cotton ball is brown. Personally I don't want any of that junk on my platter or coming in contact with my stylus.

 

Can we move the record cleaning topic to a record cleaning thread?

 

Why wipe your ass after taking a marshmallow if it looks clean in the mirror?